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Johnny-Highnote Veteran Member
Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 264 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Hm...
This Valves look like Besson or Boosey Valves-and this first-slide Saddle holder looks very british to me... (maybe Mike should take a look at the pics.. )
Is there realy a engraving on the bell that says Conn-Elkhart,or Conn-USA
or whatever with the word CONN?????
What is the serial-number of the horn??
If the number says something like 500 000-700 000 and the engraving says Conn (without Elkart) it´s possibly a very rare one of the time,when Conn moved back to Elkhart (1980-1985~)
They made some horns like the Century and the Herritage in this Years
(not shure,if they realy where made at Conn-i guess they only made the 38B themselves,all other stuff was imported from Yamaha) _________________ Greatings from Germany
Dennis
38b "Frankenconn" with Bauerfeind Valve block/ Yamaha 6345G /Yamaha 631/Courtois 154G / Curry+Klier 1,5 mpc`s |
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StevenPSparks Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2004 Posts: 1386 Location: Daytona Beach, FL
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: |
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They look ok from here, but just a bit small. _________________ Sparks in Daytona
"I'm older now, so don't be a blowhard"
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plp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 7023 Location: South Alabama
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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The top and bottom valve caps, and buttons, are identical to my B and H Emperor.
I'm curious about the mouthpiece. That must be a trombone player's doubler 'piece, or for somebody with a head the size of a bowling ball. |
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 3620
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that Liberator looks nothing like the Conn 60B, so I am absolutely positive that the trumpet Maynard is holding in some old photos from the late 1960s is a C. G. Conn 60B. _________________ C. G. Conn 60B Super Connstellation
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https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26763 |
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Tarh331_Dad Veteran Member
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Tarh331_Dad Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:11 am Post subject: |
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To my eye, the distinctive features on that 1969 video are the fully circular ring [rather than a half-circular hook] for the right pinky finger, and also a "top screw" [???] on the end of the first valve tuning slide.
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supertrump Regular Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 79
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:48 am Post subject: |
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The horn that Maynard played whilst living in Manchester, England was indeed called a Liberator, manufactured in Bradford, Yorkshire from 1969 to around 1972 by Ferguson Bell Ltd. A firm set up by MF and Jack Bell. I was told that it was a Besson valve block that the Ferguson Bell Company used. They are engraved on the left hand side of the bell: Maynard Ferguson Liberator and on the other side stamped: Ferguson Bell Ltd, Bradford - England. The horn I saw was marked "SB 453" I presume referring to the small bore size .453”.
Maynard;
“When I went to England, I left Conn and went with the British Band Corporation, which is both English Besson and Boosey and Hawkes, where I designed my first trumpet. They called it the Liberator” – MF. At the time Boosey & Hawkes were one of the UK’s leading brass instrument manufacturers.
The Liberator I am told was a copy of MF's Conn Connstellation 38B. The Liberator is the trumpet that Maynard recorded with on albums such as The Ballad Style of Maynard Ferguson, MF Horn 1 & 2 and Alive and Well in London, Maynard also performed on his Liberator trumpet on the BBC TV special "The World of Maynard Ferguson” I think. Eric Miyashiro owns one I'm told. |
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Tarh331_Dad Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:37 am Post subject: |
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supertrump wrote: | A firm set up by MF and Jack Bell. |
When I was preparing that first screen shot from "Take the A Train", I felt like The Boss had an endorsement deal to lean back and show off the horn for the camera.
It would make even more sense if he had an ownership interest in the company.
I wonder what MF & JB were thinking with that "top screw" [or whatever it is] on the 1st valve tuning slide?
Intonation? Spit valve? Pressure modulator? Some sort of sonic dampener? |
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Tarh331_Dad Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:45 am Post subject: |
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As far as "sonic dampening" [or "un-dampening"] is concerned, there's a semi-infamous horn seller on eBay, who sold a 28A Connstellation a couple of months ago, where he claimed that he got really good results from changing out the third valve slide:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171659487404/
"One thing always bothered me: The dang 3rd-slide stop-rod and adjustable finger-pull ring assembly. These dreadful appurtenances seem to deaden the tone, and get in the way. My thinking, was that they cancelled-out &/or dampened the sweet, resonant harmonic frequencies of any notes requiring a 3rd-valve fingering ... and, probably dampened other undertones with the 3rd-valve not employed. Think about that .... On a hunch, I borrowed / switched-out slides from one of my Conn 22B trumpets, which shares the same .438" bore-size. The 3rd-slide of the 22B model does NOT have an adjustable slide-ring ... (the ring is soldered in place). Bingo! A Eureka Moment ! I was right. Soooo ... what we have here (on this horn), is a silver 3rd-slide from a silver-plated Conn 22B trumpet. AND -- that elusive, pure and sweet tone I yearned to hear. [ *note: I would like to keep this slide ring for myself, but I cannot find the original one.] If you are a dreaded "collector" / purist, you may pass on this horn. You have NO IDEA what you are missing." |
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brent.m.watts4 New Member
Joined: 11 Mar 2015 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmmm.......interesting..... |
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rhenssen New Member
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 10 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Tarh331_Dad wrote: | supertrump wrote: | A firm set up by MF and Jack Bell. | .
I wonder what MF & JB were thinking with that "top screw" [or whatever it is] on the 1st valve tuning slide?
Intonation? Spit valve? Pressure modulator? Some sort of sonic dampener? |
It is just the piece that would hold a moveable 1st valve saddle. Just like the thing that holds the ring on the 3rd valve slide. |
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