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bnbechtel
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:25 pm    Post subject: Coming back after a lip injury Reply with quote

I hadn't played in years, but I would sometimes pick up a horn and just check to see if I could still make a sound.

Then, about a year ago, I walked out the back door at night, tripped on a rug, and fell face first onto the concrete patio. Short version: my teeth went most of the way through my top lip, right where I play cornet. After it healed (leaving some nasty scar tissue) I was unable to buzz my lips. So I gave up on playing forever. But then about four days ago, I tried alternate positions, and was able to make a sound. Two days ago, I was amazed that I could bow buzz and play in my old embouchure position. I have no idea how. The scar tissue makes a line right about where I buzz. Anyway, I could try to develop an off center position, but I think I'm making progress despite the injury.

The easiest thing to play on at the moment is this beat up Besson Prototype cornet that I fitted a Holton Farkas MDC to. (I wanted to make it really conical.) I'm ordering a 3B I think to play with my Olds Ambassador, that will be my typical set up, I think. Unless ... Can I use a short shank Yamaha 14E with the ambassador? Regardless I'm five days into playing, and I thought I'd share a clip of my Besson with a horn mouthpiece in it, just for fun?

Anyway, hi to everybody.

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royjohn
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Man!
Glad you tried again! You don't sound half bad for someone who's not played in a while and has had a serious lip injury.

I know from reading Doc Reinhardt that he worked with a number of players who had a lip injury and had to move their placement thereafter, so that's an option if the original placement doesn't work out for you.

Let us know how this works out for you!
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bnbechtel
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

royjohn wrote:
Hey, Man!
Glad you tried again! You don't sound half bad for someone who's not played in a while and has had a serious lip injury.

I know from reading Doc Reinhardt that he worked with a number of players who had a lip injury and had to move their placement thereafter, so that's an option if the original placement doesn't work out for you.

Let us know how this works out for you!


Thank you so much for the encouragement. I was overjoyed when I was finally able to get a note to sound again. Being able to play cornet or trumpet -- or at least pick it up and play a scale after years of not playing -- always made me happy. I guess in a year of healing, and with some effort, I was able to buzz again. I may have to move to one side or the other; my range is best in the center, so much muscle memory I guess! But the scar seems to interfere with buzzing on some notes. It's too early to tell yet, though.

So, this was two days into going back to my original lip position -- I'll keep practicing, and I'll post another clip to this thread in about a month; we'll see how I'm doing. Maybe it would be inspiring for other people with mangled lips.

Best,
Brent
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royjohn
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Brent,
And I forgot to say that you have great courage to put your video out there in front of all us self-appointed experts! Good luck! I predict success!
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GeorgeB
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Playing the trumpet with healthy chops is difficult, so it takes a lot of determination to do it with damaged chops. Good luck.
George
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bnbechtel
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

royjohn wrote:
Hey Brent,
And I forgot to say that you have great courage to put your video out there in front of all us self-appointed experts! Good luck! I predict success!


I think I'm about 12 or 13 days in now. I'll post maybe weekly updates for the first month -- it would be interesting to research how long it takes to come back.

And yes ... I realized that this is a forum full of actual professional trumpet players a bit after the fact of posting a video. Oh well. I swear! I used to be quite good; I'm hoping I make mucho progress quickly. It has to partly be muscle memory, right?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with your comeback.
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bnbechtel
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gwood66 wrote:
Good luck with your comeback.



Thank you. I'm getting a little bit better every day! (And I'm putting in a few hours every day, which likely has something to do with the progress.)
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Mike Sailors
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should reach out to Brad Goode or Rich Willey. Both had similar experiences and play great now.
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