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annvill
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:14 am    Post subject: Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz - Bach 3C Reply with quote

A trivial question! Do you prefer the modern Bach 3C or the Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz? And why?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer Bobby Shew Jazz but my favorite in that range is ACB 3C.
Bobby Shew Jazz just worked better for me than Bach. Also it's a little bit cheaper so I recommend it to students.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've played both. As I recall the Shew Jazz has a similar rim size and feel as a smaller vintage Bach 3C, pretty close that that of the Yamaha 14B4. This is the rim size/shape I've typically favored for all but the picc. The newer Bach 3Cs feel a good bit larger more like a Yamaha 15C4 or 16C4.

I like the tone of both the Bach 3C or the Shew Jazz but don't favor it over the tone I get with a Bach 1.5C underpart. But it's been a while since I've checked. I might have to run that experiment again.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha Shew Jazz over the current Bach 3C.

Blessing 3C over the current Bach 3C.

My old 90's version of the Bach 3C that I haven't played for several years about equal to the Shew Jazz or Blessing 3C.

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There's nothing inherently "wrong" with the current Bach 3C, but it's not the same as the 3C I played on for years. The Blessing and Shew Jazz are closer. Thus, I prefer them.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shew Jazz - for me, better sound and easier in the upper register.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is the Bach 3C infinitely more used than the yamaha bobby shew jazz?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been around longer?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
Been around longer?


Probable
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

annvill wrote:
Why is the Bach 3C infinitely more used than the yamaha bobby shew jazz?
The most well-known and common mouthpieces in the world are probably all BACH: 7C 3C 1.5C and 1.25C at least in my life experience. When I was in high school and college I didn't see a lot of Yamaha mouthpieces, or other brands, compared to Bach. Monette was kind of common and easy to spot in college. I lived in Colorado and California, there are definitely regional differences.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

annvill wrote:
Why is the Bach 3C infinitely more used than the yamaha bobby shew jazz?

Why is Ford more well known than Hyundai?

There's nothing wrong with the Bach 3C, it's been a favorite of players for decades longer than Yamaha has made brass instruments, let alone the Shew Jazz mouthpiece.

I'm a trumpet guy myself and I didn't even know about the Shew Jazz mouthpiece for a long, long time.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't it seem to you that the Bach 3C is more reactive, faster in reaction?
The Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz most muffled ?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After some time it seems to me that the Bach 3C is even more brilliant
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

annvill wrote:
After some time it seems to me that the Bach 3C is even more brilliant


I've been playing Bach 3C's (80's, 90's, & ought x's) as my main 'go to' mp for thirty years but I've never heard (no pun intended) them referred to as brilliant, interesting.

I know words are never adequate in explaining sound, feel, etc. ...however brilliant is not an adjective I'd associate with a Bach 3C of any vintage.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying that the Bach 3C is brilliant, but the Yamaha seems darker to me, it sizzles less.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bach mouthpieces are notoriously different through the years. Their cup dimensions change with time and can vary a good bit. I never had good luck with Bach mouthpieces and always wanted something with a slightly larger throat and free blowing or different backbore.

I switched to the Yamaha Shew Jazz mouthpiece years ago, and was very happy with the improved (for me) brilliance and freer blowing feel.

Perhaps you got a better 3C than most, but...not all are equal. The Shew Jazz mouthpieces have been better for me. My son in 9th grade plays on a Shew Jazz and gets a good sound with it.

I personally gravitated from the Shew Jazz to the Marcinkiewicz Shew 2 (deepest one) and then to the GR Wayne Bergeron Studio Model. But for me, those two mouthpieces are "close enough" to the Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz that I can pick one up and play on it and it feels and sounds ok for me. For me all of them are better than a Bach 3C or a Bach 3C that has been drilled out one throat size.

It's not just the diameter at various points, or the taper of the backbore. GR has done a bunch of studies regarding the alpha angle (break at inside edge) and the breaks at other points in the mouthpiece. Their mouthpieces are not cheap but appear to be phenomenal.

Many folks will just drill out the throat of a mouthpiece, but in doing so that can create other problems and messes up the angle at the internal cup break point, so GR does NOT recommend taking a stock any mouthpiece and drilling it out.

I have a friend, a weekend pro player, who was always trying mouthpieces. I've tried out plenty of them before settling on what I use now. Now I can notice a difference with small changes in mouthpiece. For instance, the WB Lead mouthpiece for me is not nearly as good as the WB Studio. However, I will never be a "lead" player but more of a lower section player, so that makes sense.

My day job is engineering; apologies if this is too technical.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, it seems like the Shew Jazz mouthpiece has a slightly shallower cup than the Bach 3C, which seems to have a slightly shallower cup than the Curry 3C. And I find hitting notes above the staff easier on the Shew Jazz mouthpiece, then with either of the other two.

In the link below (on the lower left), Bobby Shew is quoted as saying the Yamaha Shew Jazz mouthpiece is "close" to a Bach 3D.

https://www.kellymouthpieces.com/kmbobbyshew/index.asp

I also have the Kelly-Shew mouthpiece, and it does indeed sound warmer, to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:09 am    Post subject: Shew Reply with quote

Curious about the backbore for the Yamaha Shew Jazz. I've read varying descriptions: some say it's more open, others have described it is narrower.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the previous poster mentions, the Kelly Shew signature mouthpiece never seems to get talked about much. Maybe for good reason, but I had one for a while and liked it.

https://www.kellymouthpieces.com/kmbobbyshew/index.asp

Says Bobby, "This mouthpiece is a great copy of my Yamaha Jazz piece which is "close" to a Bach 3D with a much more responsive backbore, better for jazz playing. I play KELLY because it feels quite a bit more comfortable on my chops, softer to the touch , and I know that I get a much warmer sound on it than the brass version. In addition, I love never having to really "warm it up" before starting to buzz or play!"
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sometimes use the Kelly Shew Jazz. In addition to sounding and responding completely different since it is plastic, it is shorter than the Yamaha piece, so I assume the backbore is also different.

I am also curious about how the backbore of the Shew Jazz is different from a Bach 3C. It is interesting how some people say the Shew is brighter, darker, more open, tighter, more free blowing, more stuffy, etc. Very conflicting opinions. I personally love the Shew Jazz, and the rim feels very natural when it's on my face. For me, it makes playing feel easier than a 3C.
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