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herpderp
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:10 pm    Post subject: Tuning slide- hard to get in the horn Reply with quote

My tuning slide isn't lining up perfectly when inserting it into the horn leading to some tension in the horn when I manage to insert it. Should I have a tech fix this? Am I just overthinking things? I've been doing some simple long tones on the leadpipe so every warm up it's been on my mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Tuning slide- hard to get in the horn Reply with quote

herpderp wrote:
My tuning slide isn't lining up perfectly when inserting it into the horn leading to some tension in the horn when I manage to insert it. Should I have a tech fix this? Am I just overthinking things? I've been doing some simple long tones on the leadpipe so every warm up it's been on my mind.


Yes, if you do anything to it, have a qualified and experienced tech do the adjustment. It's too easy to make matters worse, if you aren't practiced at doing such things. My opinion.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Shofarguy. If it is really hard to fit in, it often means your horn has been knocked out of alignment. Lots of stresses and potential problems from that.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check each leg separately - if they are a 'too easy' fit then
edit: (if aligned perfectly)
the slide can move unexpectedly while playing or being handled.

A quicky 'adjustment' to an overly loose slide is to very slightly tweak the legs so the slide isn't a 'perfect fit'.

Also, for 'perfect fit' there is quite a bit of mechanical alignment necessary - the slide tubes need to be parallel, the 'body tubes' need to be parallel, and the distances need to be the same.

If the slide can be reliably moved to the desired position, and it stays there, then there might not be any value in trying to change it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:55 am    Post subject: T-slide fit Reply with quote

Many inexpensive horns are made with tuning slides that use tension to stay in place. If your slides move very easily with lube, this is probably the case.

The tension of misaligned slides keeps the T-slide in place. Is there a brace or just pipes and bow.

What brand is it?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: T-slide fit Reply with quote

Steve Hollahan wrote:

What brand is it?

It's a Selmer Radial, fairly new to me. There's a brace on the tuning slide. It's just out of parallel enough that it's challenging to insert. Each side of the slide is fitted well.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have suggested, find a tech to fix it - it's a pretty easy fix, but not one to take on yourself IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case there is anyone invested in the resolution of this story:
I had a tech fix the issue. The slide goes in perfectly and my leadpipe exercises are easier. The trumpet may play better but it may be placebo. Thanks for listening.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

herpderp wrote:
In case there is anyone invested in the resolution of this story:
I had a tech fix the issue. The slide goes in perfectly and my leadpipe exercises are easier. The trumpet may play better but it may be placebo. Thanks for listening.


Probably not a placebo. The first #1J tuning slide I bought from Flip Oakes had tension in the tuning slide caused from slightly undersized tubing that had caught on the reamer Flip used to correct the solder joints of his horns. Flip had to wrestle it off the reamer, which caused some minute deformation in the tubing. My horn just wouldn't slot with that slide. Flip traded it for a different slide, which played great. I still have that one.
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