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alty62244
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:27 pm    Post subject: the Bach Stradivarius 239 Bell on the Eb / D vs. the 304 hor Reply with quote

I am interested in the dropping of the Bach Stradivarius 239 Bell on the Eb / D vs. the 304 horn. Why did Bach make both and then drop the 239 bell (except for the "C" trumpet. Is the "Artisan" model a replacement for the Eb / D 239 model???
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just went to the current "Build a Bach" site on their website and was able to spec out the standard model 189 Stradivarius Eb/D trumpet with either large or extra large bore, 239 or 229 bell, yellow brass or gold brass, body weight, finish, etc. Just like the one in my closet. Costs about 7 times the first one I bought in 1975, but cars are about the same markup, too. So, yeah, they will still make you one, if you know to look for model 189 and have a few pockets full of coin of the realm.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relevant thread.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1320195

In short:

The Bach 304 was an older model from at least the Mt Vernon era or earlier. Back then, high trumpets small bore, small bell instruments and generally were fairly tricky to handle. The prototypical instrument was the Selmer Paris piccolo that Maurice Andre played often. If you think of Bach 304 as a slightly larger small-bore piccolo in Eb, that's pretty spot on. It's not a bad horn, it's just not what most players tend to use nowadays. Selmer, Bach, Besson, Cousenon all build these kinds of horns in the higher keys back then.

The venerable Schilke E3L kind of changed everything for higher trumpets - along with the P5-4. Now they were larger horns, generally easier to play for more players, and a bit bigger sounding.

The Bach 189 is in the mold of the E3L - though different. It's a bigger horn, and it's a bigger sounding horn that the Schilke. Intonation can be a bit more of a thing than on the Schilke and they don't play quite as easy - typical for Schilke vs Bach on the high horns. It can work better in orchestral situations and - being it literally has C trumpet bell options - it's a higher pitched C trumpet in many ways. It's not without issues, though some people like them.

The Bach Artisan, I think, is maybe trying to bridge the gap between the older 189 and the E3L, maybe. That's mostly speculation on my part. I played on one for a few minutes at ITG, I don't have deep thoughts on it. I actually have a pretty nice frankenhorn Eb that somewhat resembles a Bach 189 and might have a Bach C bell, but plays a bit lighter and easier, IMO. I know I preferred mine over than particular Artisan, but it wasn't a long blow and I wasn't really looking.
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