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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:05 pm    Post subject: Light in weight but not in sound. Reply with quote

What do you consider a light-weight horn yet still retaining some depth to the sound? hanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a great question but I'm not sure we necessarily agree on the definition of "depth of sound". Same problem with "core" and "bright" and "dark" and "spread".

How light?

For me a light weight horn with great "depth of sound" would be a Chicago Benge i once owned. It had a dark rich sound but with a ring to it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Light in weight but not in sound. Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
What do you consider a light-weight horn yet still retaining some depth to the sound? hanks.

Austin Winds Stage470LT. Unfortunately Kanstul built them, so used market only now.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both hard to get. Maybe that says something. I had a Yamaha Shew which was the lightest trumpet I've played. I heard other players sound great but I could never keep it from sounding like there was something missing.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edwards X-13 and the lightweight version of Martin Schmidt’s Professional Line trumpets (assuming OP is not looking for a rotary). Not sure how light they are but they feel quite a bit lighter than my Bach.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edwards X-13 and the lightweight version of Martin Schmidt’s Professional Line trumpets (assuming OP is not looking for a rotary). Not sure how light they are but they feel quite a bit lighter than my Bach.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Edwards X-13 is the best combination of big sound and light weight I have ever played. Another horn that comes to mind is the Benge CG model.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think any trumpet should have "depth" to the sound. I guess it's more of a semantics argument. I don't think lighter horns lack any depth of sound per se, they just respond differently and are somewhat less "stable" than heavy horns. I would say my Yamaha 8310Z and X-13 which are somewhat light trumpets have just as much depth as Bachs and heavier horns that I have owned. But they respond differently to different approaches of playing.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a bunch of pro horns in my collection and all are heavy but one, the Manchester Brass. It is light, but has a 5" bell that really produces excellent depth, and a big wide spread of sound as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Schilke Handcraft HC2 is very light and has what I would call “depth of sound” - these terms, as mentioned, are very hard to quantify. But I think it’s worth being on your short list.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The older Olds Supers were pretty light weight and have a nice big sound.
The ones I have weight between 883 and 1006 grams.
They got heavier somewhere around serial number 19000.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

X-13 and our Coppernicus come to mind.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leblanc Sandoval.

Its free-blowing characteristiscs and wide bell flare might be a challenge, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Light in weight but not in sound. Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
What do you consider a light-weight horn yet still retaining some depth to the sound? hanks.


I had a Getzen eterna large bore with copper bell with this characteristics , very versatile horn and mpc sensitive.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edwards X-13
Kanstul 1001
Benge/Burbank 3X+
Benge/Burbank 5X
Schilke X4
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ll add the following to the list.

Selmer Claude Gordon
Bach 72*
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two Chicago Benges that are light weight with great core. They have a great warm sound in the low register and light up in the upper register.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about Bach Lightweight and Yamaha Xeno?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stomvi VRII big bell lightweight
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what wrote:
The older Olds Supers were pretty light weight and have a nice big sound.
The ones I have weight between 883 and 1006 grams.
They got heavier somewhere around serial number 19000.

More lightweight vintage horns:
I had a Besson MEHA Kanstul that weighed .885 g.
I have a Blessing ML-1 Lightweight that weighs .986 g.
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