YTR-8310ZII

Bronxgroove · Regular Member Joined: 19 Feb 2019 Posts: 67

Hi
I just bought the Bobby Shew model and was wondering what valve oil works the best for that particular horn. Also I'm thinking about getting a valve guard are there any benefits to using one?

kehaulani · Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:50 am Post subject:

B.E.R.P Has different choices of oil strength.
Previously. I used Hetman's.

Re. valve guard, I've heard they have a slight muffling of the tone quality. Wouldn't know, don't use one.
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OldSchoolEuph · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Apr 2012 Posts: 2438

Yamaha packages a good oil, and using it avoids any issues in the event of a warranty item.
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Voltrane · Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:15 am Post subject:

I had problems with the 3rd valve my Xeno 8335 RGS (I send a lot of water in the horn). La Tromba medium resolved everything.
This one:
https://www.thomann.de/fr/stoelzel_ventiloel_590010.htm

I use a valve guard only because I don’t like the feeling of the metal when I hold it.
No advange, no drawback sound wise.
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JayKosta · Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:23 pm Post subject:

An often mentioned drawback of a valve guard is that if any moisture does get behind the guard, then it is trapped and difficult to notice.

Also, when wiping the exposed metal area, it's difficult to reach the metal just slightly away from the guard.
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Voltrane · Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:58 pm Post subject:

I use a removable valve guard of course, so you can clean what you want when you want. Never had any moisture in more than 10 years on any of my horns.
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joshlawrencejazz · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:41 am Post subject:

Hetman Light. Valve guards dampen the sound to my ears.

Great horn. Enjoy.
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chrisf3000 · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:50 am Post subject:

I use Yamaha Light Oil for anything that's considered a Pro Line horn. That would include the Z horn! Yamaha oils are formulated for Yamaha trumpets and the light oil is good for newer horns. I was told by Yamaha that, while Bach valve tolerances are about 1/1000 of an inch, Yamaha tolerances are 1/10000 of an inch. A side note - the oil you get in the case is apparently not the same oil as what you would buy on a shelf at the store.

JayKosta · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am Post subject:

chrisf3000 · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:04 am Post subject:

No much of a story, really, except that the conversation was with Wayne Tanabe at the New York Yamaha Atelier. We were talking about which oils were recommended. Yes, I am a brass geek and like to know about things like valve tolerances! Being one of the lead designers, Wayne seems to know about things like this. Perhaps there are different ways to measure tolerances, not sure.

kehaulani · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:11 am Post subject:

Of course, there are several oils which are good.

But just to return to my B.E.R.P. recommendation, I'll just add that I was turned on to BERP by a brass repair tech at a major dealer. This person knows their stuff and is not only a good tech but is a career-long professional performer.

It was based not only on its face-value performance, but on the length of time it lasts, seemingly outlasting some other brands (including Hetman's which, I to used exclusively and is a great oil, itself)

p.s., I just reread the OP. A Shew is what I owned and used the BERP oil on. (At this stage in the thread, though, FWIW, LOL.)
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Voltrane · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:55 pm Post subject:

a big difference in price (same volume):

https://www.thomann.de/fr/yamaha_ventiloel_regular.htm
https://www.thomann.de/fr/la_tromba_ag_t2_valve_oil_special.htm

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Bronxgroove · Regular Member Joined: 19 Feb 2019 Posts: 67

Bronxgroove · Regular Member Joined: 19 Feb 2019 Posts: 67

I'm loving this horn and the mouth piece.
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wilder · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:41 pm Post subject:

Hi. I used HETMANS for many, many years. Actually played with the guy once. However when T2 (LA TROMBA) become available in this country I switched. Faster, lasts longer and less residue to clean when cleaning the valves. jw

wilder · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:44 pm Post subject:

Forgot to mention that it costs twice as much and is kind of smelly. jw

Trumpetingbynurture · Heavyweight Member Joined: 18 Nov 2015 Posts: 898

One thing about the La Tromba oil (and a few others) I've noticed is they can send my sinus allergies crazy. I used to always oil my trumpet at the end of the day because if I oiled it at the start, my nose would get unbelievably itchy when I was playing. I had just accepted it.

My horn came back from a service with Hetmans so I continued using it and realised after a while it didn't make my nose start itching. Works well enough so I swapped to it.