Lotus Mouthpieces

[lipshurt]

If it shuts down when you are tired it’s one or two of three possible things:

1) the “alpha angle” is to “high” meaning the cup slants down from the inner edge as opposed dropping straight down from the inner edge. And your lips need room when they swell up, and that cup shape does not have enough room right under the rim

2) the opposite. The alpha angle is too “low” and your lips do not need room right below the rim. They need “support” and a high alpha angle would be better

3) the diameter is too big.

Other things like rim contour cup depth throat size backbore etc do different things if they are not right, but what you describe is one of those first three things.

I realize that there may a person out there with experiences contrary to what I’m saying. What I’m saying goes for the other 99 percent of players.
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[chef8489]

double high t"]If it shuts down when you are tired it’s one or two of three possible things:

1) the “alpha angle” is to “high” meaning the cup slants down from the inner edge as opposed dropping straight down from the inner edge. And your lips need room when they swell up, and that cup shape does not have enough room right under the rim

2) the opposite. The alpha angle is too “low” and your lips do not need room right below the rim. They need “support” and a high alpha angle would be better

3) the diameter is too big.

Other things like rim contour cup depth throat size backbore etc do different things if they are not right, but what you describe is one of those first three things.

I realize that there may a person out there with experiences contrary to what I’m saying. What I’m saying goes for the other 99 percent of players.[/quote]
Except it happens with all four of the lotus pieces I have. They range in size from 1.25c to 3c. 1L, 2xl,2Xl2, 2L
I usually play on a 1.5c and 1.5b bach and have a curry 2bbc for cornet. My range is up to e above double high c. So when I can't even play 2 octaves with a mouthpiece brand and I switch it out and then I can something is going on.
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Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger

[ThatFoxtrot]

[Jaw04]

I suspect problems tiring with the Lotus mouthpieces has to do with the more open throat and backbore, which does not respond well to overblowing and muscling the way you might be used to playing with more conventional pieces as you fatigue. Just my thoughts. I think the rims and cups are pretty conventional.

[chef8489]

1.5c I have on my trumpets as I sold all my other trumpet mouthpieces. to do with the more open throat and backbore, which does not respond well to overblowing and muscling the way you might be used to playing with more conventional pieces as you fatigue. Just my thoughts. I think the rims and cups are pretty conventional.[/quote]
Very well could ben when I play c and lower when fatigued I am still really relaxed. I'll play tomorrow and see how it goes. I'll use all 4 mouthpieces and see what happens when I'm tired then use my cornet with the 2bbc and use the ckb 1.5c I have on my trumpets as I sold all my other trumpet mouthpieces.
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Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger

[ThatFoxtrot]

[Trumpetingbynurture]

Who has tried the XL and XL2 cups?

Particularly love thoughts from those using them on C trumpet

[chef8489]

[claf]

I'm using a 3M and 3XL2 (bronze) on my C.
The 3XL2 allows me to have a great sound without losing any notes in the high register.
However, since I'm more accustomed to shallow mouthpieces, I'm always ending up using the 3M, otherwise I'm tiring too quickly since I'm mostly playing 1st parts with some pops tunes.
But i'm still practicing the 3XL2 to use it at some point.
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Bb: Schagerl James Morrison, Van Laar B7, XO 1600i
C: Bach Philadelphia

[Trumpetingbynurture]

[acritzer]

I'm tempted to try a 3XL2 B, but probably wouldn't have that many opportunities to actually use it since most of my playing is single or small instrument settings.
On a side note, I'm amazed how different my 3LB and 3L are from each other.

[Trumpetingbynurture]

[claf]

[acritzer]

[improver]

I just recently bought a Lotus 3L in brass and love it with my committee. I ordered it off their site and it came a week later. I got interested after attending Chris Botti's concert a gift as per Chris thru our mutual friend Gabe Johnson on my wife's bday, and him using one and talking to him about it after the concert and listening to our mutual friend Gabe Johnson play on it. I'm a Bach guy but I must say the Lotus pieces are good. Chris sounded great on it and just received one of their horns which he is considering playing , although he has that 39 Martin he loves.

[improver]

I understand the Lotus mpcs are being made in Italy. On my new one the bottom reminds me a lot of the lighter AR bottoms. I wonder if AR is making them.

[acritzer]

[Goby]

AR doesn’t make Lotus pieces. The relationship between those 2 companies has been documented on this forum, but the long story short is that Adam initially endorsed AR trumpets and mouthpieces, then went behind AR’s back to have the pieces duplicated and produced under his own name. If your piece feels similar to an AR, it’s probably because it’s a copy with some minor variation (if any).

[acritzer]

[Goby]