National Brass Ensemble

[Nonprokingdom]

Is there a particular reason this topic was recently deleted? Mr. Sachs offered some valuable insight. Also, some valid points were brought up on possible improvements. Why is this info being censored?

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[Steve A]

Well, I may not have seen all of it before it got pulled, but it looked like an ugly spectacle to me. Granted people should be free to express their views, but I wish they could do it in ways that are respectfully constructive, rather than picking fights with high-profile posters. (Or anybody else, for that matter.)

Some of the posts were thoughtful, for sure, but I miss the time when we had a number of leading figures in our field regularly posting here. I personally would much rather read what Mike Sachs would like to share about this project than people complaining about it having too many principal players, or vague ensemble problems, and I bet I'm not alone.

I'm not suggesting that famous people here should be immune to criticism, or that everyone always has to fawn over everything they do, but a general expectation of the same kind of civility we would expect face-to-face would make this a much better place for everyone.

[Daniel Barenboim]

[Nonprokingdom]

[quote="Daniel Barenboim"][quote="Nonprokingdom"]Is there a particular reason this topic was recently deleted? Mr. Sacks offered some valuable insight. Also, some valid points were brought up on possible improvements. Why is this info being censored?[/quote]

It's Sachs.



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[HaveTrumpetWillTravel]

I was grateful from that thread to learn about the "Making of Gabrieli" on youtube, which is quite good (watching it right now).

My other takeaway was, geez, trumpet players are competitive. Personally I'm grateful for any ensemble brass production that folk organize. Grateful that there will be another one.

[Don Herman rev2]

It's still here, in reduced and locked form: https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=158517

It turned into a big pissing contest and was cleaned and locked. For decades I have hoped trumpet players would quit living down to our expectations but it is unlikely to ever come to pass.
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[Jabroni]

I was not involved in the disagreement that ensued during this forum.
The point I made was regarding diversity and inclusion within a great group such as this. I commented that a group like the Rodney Marsalis brass ensemble is a great example of how diversity can be successful, playing with people who look different, studied with different teachers and having a vast variety of experiences.

Something to really think about and hopefully consider for the future.

[mhenrikse]

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[Steve A]

[kehaulani]

I hesitate to put my toe back into this, but I think we're missing the point.

The reaction to some of the first posts was not, necessarily, against their proposing a more ecumenical position selection in orchestras, or how people were selected for this project. Instead of a positive reaction, we get negativity right from the get-go.

It was that, as soon as this complex, massive project was announced, instead of showing excitement for it and how impressive putting together such a massive project and the subsequent awesome musical, experience we look forward to is, some posters' first salvo out of the gate was to criticize the project and make negative social comments about it.

It's not that Forum members might disagree with the detractors' comments or that they're not fair game for discussion. It's the posters' timing. Let's show our admiration and interest in this project, first and leave the social engineering for later.
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[Gottfried Reiche]

It's a hot button issue, and that poster was 100% in the right for calling it out. If anyone was uncomfortable by it, then that is part of the issue.

[kehaulani]

[Nonprokingdom]

[quote="Don Herman rev2"]It's still here, in reduced and locked form: https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=158517

It turned into a big pissing contest and was cleaned and locked. For decades I have hoped trumpet players would quit living down to our expectations but it is unlikely to ever come to pass.[/quote]

You’re right, it was so “reduced” I thought it was a different thread!

Why are posts being censored that don’t break TH policy or guidelines?

[Tpt_Guy]

[mhenrikse]

[Nonprokingdom]

Incorrect.

Being uncomfortable talking about a particular issue doesn’t mean that person is being accused of anything. The issue needs to be talked about openly and, hopefully, objectively.

Interesting to note that the term Kafka trap is often used to deflect warranted claims of lack of diversity.

[HaveTrumpetWillTravel]

I don't necessarily disagree about the importance of open discussion, but there's a time and a place.

If someone sends you a wedding invitation, it's not an occasion to discuss their liabilities individually or as a couple; it's a time to celebrate. This was an announcement like that. If you want to discuss selection, auditioning, professional demographics, etc., those probably don't belong in this thread.

[kehaulani]

[Nonprokingdom]

Very fair. Mr. Sachs original post/invitation was not the best place to air grievances.

But, I did start a new thread, as suggested. I thought the other thread was deleted, I was mistaken.