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BeanPlayingATrumpet New Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 5:21 pm Post subject: Quick question |
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I have one question. Earlier today I saw a video that said to play higher notes instead of tightening your lips you should breathe faster. I am wondering if this is true and I have been playing it wrong. Thanks in advance.
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I am wondering if this is true |
It is not true. |
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BeanPlayingATrumpet New Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for answering my question. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 3:55 am Post subject: |
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It's not so much 'tightening' your lips - don't stretch them as guitar strings!
The overall lip 'posture' (combination of position, compression, tension, etc.) all have to be adjusted so as to make vibration / pulsation possible at the desired pitch.
For high pitches the lips often need to produce more resistance to air flow, so higher internal air pressure is needed to produce flow and to activate the lips. The sensation of that higher pressure air flow is often felt as 'faster air'.
I think that some of the recommendations about using 'faster air' are made to cause the player to find a way to adjust their lips to produce more resistance - but to still have the lips flexible with a controlled amount of internal air pressure.
The lips HAVE to be ABLE to vibrate / pulsate with air flow.
A typical mistake is using too much rim pressure for high notes - the rim pressure makes the lip UNABLE to vibrate. The 'trick' is to find the lip 'posture' that doesn't have excessive rim pressure. The rim pressure needs to be adjusted and coordinated between the upper and lower lips - using only the upper lip is not effective. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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starkadder Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 9:50 am Post subject: |
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I heard a Don Jacobi story, where he was talking about high notes: he pushed the music stand flat and said "those notes are not higher, they are farther away".
Sometimes a change in perception can be helpful. |
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Earlier today I saw a video that said to play higher notes instead of tightening your lips you should breathe faster. |
What video are you referring to? |
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Shifty Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 10:10 am Post subject: |
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starkadder wrote: | I heard a Don Jacobi story, where he was talking about high notes: he pushed the music stand flat and said "those notes are not higher, they are farther away". |
Jens Lindemann has said pretty much the same thing. _________________ Getzen Eterna 700, Eterna 800
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Quick question |
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BeanPlayingATrumpet wrote: | I have one question. Earlier today I saw a video that said to play higher notes instead of tightening your lips you should breathe faster. I am wondering if this is true and I have been playing it wrong. Thanks in advance.
Fellow forum member,
BeanPlayingATrumpet |
By itself highly misleading, unspecific and unhelpful "advice".
I sense I know which video you're referring to. If it is, they should take it down. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 10:39 am Post subject: |
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starkadder wrote: | Jacoby pushed the music stand flat and said "those notes are not higher, they are farther away". |
I believe it. I was at UNT when Jake had a close relationship to the school. I sat next to Larry Ford (One O'clock band) who said exactly the same thing. Maybe he got it from Jake? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 11:16 am Post subject: |
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People say a lot of things ... sometimes trying to be precise and accurate, sometimes trying to use an allegory about a difficult to explain item, sometimes trying to be clever. As a listener / reader it is necessary to do more than just understand the words - some interpretation and filtering might be needed. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: | As a listener / reader it is necessary to do more than just understand the words - some interpretation and filtering might be needed. |
It's just imagery, Jay. It's to take away from thinking an ascension with progressively more strain and tension. Thinking out in front of you means more projection and focus. Everything doesn't have to be tangible. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Trumpjerele Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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"Everything doesn't have to be tangible."
Nor helpful!! _________________ Notice!!! Amateur musician without formal studies
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