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oneillmobile New Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2021 Posts: 6 Location: Sewanee, TN
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 4:43 pm Post subject: $1,000 for a marching trumpet |
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Hello Friends,
I just joined an informal marching band and am really enjoying it, but am considering upgrading the horn I am using in it. I am currently playing a Fullerton Olds Ambassador, and wouldn't mind something a little more modern. I don't want to spend much more than $1,000 used, and want something free-blowing and open. I have played multiple Bachs and haven't found one I like, and find the Yamaha numbers confusing. I am wondering what people might look for given my price range and needs. |
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2001 Posts: 3774 Location: AL
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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A popular thing to do with Ambassadors is to replace the leadpipe with a Bach 43 leadpipe. That opens the horn up some and makes a pretty good instrument. You could buy another Ambassador off shopgoodwill.com and replace the leadpipe for way under $1000.
If you want a marching-specific horn, check this out: https://reverb.com/item/50349736-king-1117sp-ultimate-professional-model-marching-bb-trumpet _________________ --Matt--
No representation is made that the quality of this post is greater than the quality of that of any other poster. Oh, and get a teacher! |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12647 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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A number of Drum and Bugle Corps use Yamahas. They replace them fairly regularly and sell the old ones. It might be possible you could pick up a decent one from there.
Although I don’t know how the pandemic has affected the usual cycle. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8331 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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The thing you want for a marching band horn - in my opinion is:
Durable
Inexpensive
Plays decently
Durable
Inexpensive
To be honest, the Olds Ambassador checks every one of those boxes. Back when I taught, I bought one for pep band usage and it was perfect.
It also looks like it came out of a dumpster, but it plays quite well. That's just bonus points, in my book.
I mean, you could get any number of other student level horns that would do the trick, like a King 600 or Yamaha student model or a Bach TR300. However, it's debatable if any of those are necessarily improvements over the Ambassador.
If you want to get a "nicer" horn for marching band, I don't have suggestions because that makes zero sense in my book. It's like buying a pretty nice used car and then taking it to the demolition derby. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1803 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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If you just want your Olds more open, that can be addressed with a mouthpiece change. That's the cheapest solution. After that, as suggested above, a leadpipe change.
But if you want a prettier trumpet, check out used silver plated King 2055's (not the real Silver Flair of the 60's but an OK step up trumpet.) The Benge 65B (not a real Benge ) is about the same as the 2055. These are .462 bore. You should be able to find these used under $800. They both have the King valves which are generally very good.
They will not sound as good as the Ambassador (my opinion) but they will be prettier.
Almost forgot - Getzen 700S Eterna II (not the 700SP Special). Pretty close to an Eterna. More open than a stock Bach 37/25 trumpet. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8965 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Adding to Crazy Finn's list, I would also say "bright" and "light". I would look for a Getzen Eterna (particlarly Severinsen) and Yamaha Shew. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn |
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 4:20 am Post subject: |
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jadickson wrote: | Yamaha 4335 trumpet. There are several on eBay |
Funny coincidence: I’m currently keeping an eye out for a nice Ambassdor for a buddy with a 4335 in need of an affordable upgrade.
To the OP: unless there’s something wrong with the Ambassador, you’ll have a tough time finding a better marching horn for less than 1000 dollars. And like Crazy Finn wrote: you really wanna risk using a new thousand dollar horn for marching? _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
AR Resonance mouthpieces |
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X200 Regular Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 4:50 am Post subject: |
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The used TAMA Kanstul 'Coliseum' .470" bore is a perfect marching trumpet. There are a couple on eBay and at Dillon Music. I once owned one and it's a great horn for the money. |
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interfx Heavyweight Member
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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A while back I had the same question for the German Trompetenforum. They suggested a Yamaha 3335. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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cyber_shake Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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For marching, a Getzen Capri or 300 are perfect ... and very inexpensive. _________________ Blaine
brasshurricane@gmail.com
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DaCarbo Unica
Adams A4 LT-S
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dstpt Heavyweight Member
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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I've avoided saying it elsewhere but ,what the hey , , ,
According to a lot of posts I've read on TH Forum, for marching one needs a cheap horn that's built like a tank. I went through Jr. High, Sr, High, college and the service and never got a scratch, much less a ding or a dent. Ain't no big thing. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | I've avoided saying t elsewhere but what the hey , , ,
According to the average TH Forum member, for marching one needs a cheap horn that's built like a tank. I went through Jr. High, Sr, High, college and the service and never got a scratch, much less a ding or a dent. Ain't no big thing. |
+1. I used a new Bach Strad for marching, never got a scratch. But then my program was extremely serious so there wasn’t a lot of goofing around which is where things often happen. |
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I too have occasionally brought my prized instrument to marching performances without issues, but I've also had a performance where our sousaphone player hit a lamp post. Given that there are plenty of cheap instruments that more than suffice for the marching music we play, I'd rather be safe than sorry. If anyone else wants to risk a $1000 instrument on a lose tile, dogs crossing the street or children running between the band, be my guest . _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
AR Resonance mouthpieces |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 4:13 am Post subject: |
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In high school marching band, we trumpeters kept our student horns for practicing field and street programs and bought professional horns for competition performances and concert season. All of us did this and we all respected each other's instruments. It worked out just fine.
I also recommend the Kanstul 103 Colosseum It was made for field bands. Their 700 is also a tremendous horn and affordable. If you can find either one, I believe they are better instruments than those recommended in the above posts.
When I was looking for my Professional horn for my senior year of high school, I bought a Benge 5X. It turned out to be fantastic for the outdoors, since it projected far better than the other brands the guys were buying. I understand the 6X is also very good that way. Benge horns aren't "tanks" and it's important to find ones that aren't worn or damaged, but if you are careful, they will do very well. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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