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bebop
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I have a few Bb trumpet weights to share (no mouthpiece). The weight given for the Adams A4 SC and A1 Gen I are not exact but very close.
Adams A1 Gen 1 yellow brass bell-36.40 oz.
Adams A2 yellow brass bell-39.45 oz
Adams A4 SC gold brass bell-46.15
Yamaha 8345II in lacquer-37.50
Manchester Brass RL GB-36.60
XO-RV (Japan) gold brass bell-38.55 oz. |
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Big C
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The digital kitchen scales they make today are super accurate (as I found out when I helped my kid build his Pinewood Derby car for Cub Scouts) and not the least bit expensive!
Getzen Eterna Severinsen: 36.26 oz.
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| Big C wrote: | | The digital kitchen scales they make today are super accurate |
What do you use?
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bebop
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| I sold the Adams A1 and the A4 SC. I have been using the XO-RV from Japan for playing out. But, I just received the Adams A2 and will be using it this week for concert band and big band. |
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Benson
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Big C wrote: | | The digital kitchen scales they make today are super accurate |
What do you use? |
Oxo Good Grips 11lb Digital Scale wins with America's Test Kitchen year after year. I use it for baking, marinades, burger patty size, more often that you would think. Easily toggles from whole grams to a fraction of imperial units, and has a tare feature so you don't have to subtract the weight of a plate/bowl. This device along with a Thermapen from ThermoWorks are the digital work horses in my kitchen.
Of course digital jeweler scales can measure to the fraction of a gram. I'm not sure why that would be necessary with a trumpet, though.
Bottom Line: You could easily weigh a trumpet with a digital scale with incredible accuracy, and then weigh out the ingredients to make a plate of delicious scones.
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FYI - Someone posted the following trumpet weights . I could not locate the thread, so maybe the original posted my chime in.
Ron
Trumpet Weights (in grams)
Caliccio 1s2 lightweight (50er Jahre) 875g
Kanstul Meha 1070 907g
Buescher B/A 908g
Olds Special Lightweight (1948) 909g
Bach NY 921g
Reinhold Setz Eigenbau Perinett 924g
Yamaha YTR 736 930g
Yamaha YTR 8340 EM , Eric Miyashiro 933g
Schilke X3 (1980ger) 940g
Wohlrab 2002 942g
Calicchio 1s/2 949g
Benge 3X (1979) 951g
Yamaha YTR 6320S 956g
Yamaha YTR 8310Z, Bobby Shew 962g
Kanstul F.Besson Meha 965g
Yamaha YTR 637 967g
Stomvi Mambo Titanium XL 968g
Schagerl James Morrison Signature 974g
Yamaha YTR 6330B, Till Brönner 975g
Getzen Eterna 978g
Yamaha YTR 734 980g
Yamaha YTR 738 980g
Yamaha YTR 634 980g
Yamaha YTR 9340 L 980g
Besson 8-10 980g
Yamaha YTR 739T, mit Trigger, 982g
Yamaha YTR 8335 LA 985g
Yamaha YTR 8335 LAS 988g
Schilke B1 986g
Yamaha YTR 9320 ML 990g
Yamaha YTR 232 990g
Yamaha YTR 636 992g
Burbank 6X CG 992g
Wohlrab Symphonie 994g
Getzen Eterna Classic 996g
Yamaha YTR 6345
------------ over 1000g ------------------------
Yamaha YTR 6310Z (Wasserkl.3.Zg) 1000g
Yamaha YTR 632 1000g
Yamaha YTR 732 1000g
Eclipse Solar 1003g
Getzen Eterna Doc Sev. 1005g
Bach Strad NY 1007g
Handmade Konz.Tp. 1007g
Flip Oakes Celebration 1008-1025g
Schilke S32 1008g
Schilke X3 , versilbert 1013g
Fides Pioneer 1014g
Hub van Laar Chuck Findley 1017g
Yamaha YTR 9330 ML 1020g
Yamaha YTR 9345 L 1020g
Yamaha YTR 9310 M 1020g
Burbank 3X 1020g
Lawler TL6-1A 1020g
Zeus Olympus 1020g
Yamaha YTR-6320 1020g
Schilke X3 Beryllium 1021g
Bob Reeves V Raptor light 1022g
Getzen 907S Protheus 1026g
Yamaha YTR 6335 1030g
K&H Sella 1030g
K&H Sella G 1030g
Eclipse MY 1030g
Schilke B7 1031g
King Silverflair 2055 1032g
Burbank 5x 1040g
Carol Brass 5000L-YST 1040g
Yamaha YTR 6335 RC, commercial 1042g
Hub v Laar B4 1044g
Bach 197 1044g
Getzen Capri ohne Trigger 1048g
Yamaha YTR 9335 NYS 1050g
Yamaha YTR 9335 ML (1981-1982) 1050g
Hub van Laar B2 1050g
Holton LT 302 1052g
Yamaha YTR 5335 1052g
Getzen Eterna Doc Sev. (1980 mit Trigger) 1060g
Yamaha YTR 800N 1060g
Yamaha YTR 3335 1061g
Olds Mendez 1064g
Yamaha YTR 8335SEU 1064g
Olds Pinto 1066g
Yamaha YTR 8335G 1069g
Olds Special (1954) 1070g
Bach ML37 1072g
Conn Artist 8B 1072g
Selmer Balanced 24A 1073g
Martin Commitee Deluxe 1074g
Yamaha YTR 800NS 1075g
King Silver Flair (1978) 1076g
Bach 43ML 1076g
Yamaha YTR 8335 RGS 02 1076g
Hub v Laar B4 1078g
Getzen 3001 LE 1079g
Jul. Keilwerth Toneking Deluxe 1080g
Yamaha YTR 8335N (Nakagawa Modell) 1080g
Getzen 300S (1979) 1082g
Van Laar R3 1084g
Yamaha YTR 8335 RGS 04 1087g
Yamaha YTR 8335 NS (Nakagava Modell) 1090g
Bach190-37 ML 1094g
Bob Reeves V Raptor 1095g
Olds Ambassador 1096g
----------------------- over 1100g ------------------------------
Blessing Scholastic 1102g
Fides Beck Lead 1103g
Olds Super 1105g
Fides Beck Ruben Simeon 1105g
B&S MBX3 1105g (option. Heavycaps plus 90g)
B&S MBX matt 1107g&S MBX matt 1107g
Bach 25L 1110g
Yamaha YTR 4335G 1111g
Olds Recording (mit Trigger) 1112g
Olds Special NL 10 (vernickelt) 1114g
Martin Böhme Tumultus 1118g
Yamaha YTR 6335 HG 1120g
Conn Vintage One 1120g
Cannonball 725 1121g
Eclipse MR 1126g
Calicchio U3/9 ML 1128g
B&S Challenger I 3137S 1130g
Cannonball 789RL 1132g
Endres 6L ( Tobias Weidinger) 1136g
Bach Mount Vernon 1144g
Baumann Sirius Spezial 1145g
Conn Connstellation 36B 1150g
Bach 43GH 1152g
Hüttl Symphonie 1159g
B&S 3143/2S Challenger ll2 1170g
Selmer Radial B99 1175g
Conn Connstellation 38B 1205g
Getzen Genesis 1258g
Selmer Concept TT 1260g
Hub van Laar Oiram I 1299g
Adams A4 Custom L, Bauerfeind 1304g
Harrelson Muse 1540g
Inderbinen Inox 1700g
Taylor Chicago 46-ll 1800g
Inderbinen Studie 1900g
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kehaulani
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That's an interesting list. Could've used it this last year and saved me a lot of money.
BTAIM, I could swear that my Benge 3X weighs more than my Yamaha Shew Z. (Benge 3X=951g - Yamaha Bobby Shew=962g). Anyone else have any thoughts on that?
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| kehaulani wrote: | | BTAIM, I could swear that my Benge 3X weighs more than my Yamaha Shew Z. (Benge 3X=951g - Yamaha Bobby Shew=962g). Anyone else have any thoughts on that? |
Maybe the Shew is better balanced than the Benge; that is, the weight distribution ahead of and past your left hand as it grips the valve block is closer to 50/50. I've found that the less balanced a horn is, the heavier it feels (subjectively).
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kehaulani
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Hmm. Could be.
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Ronnman
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Another trumpet weigh table webpage.
Ron
http://rouses.net/trumpet/trumpet_weights.html
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I've weighed several Olds trumpets, all on the same scale.
These are all Supers, unless otherwise specified.
Weights are without mouthpiece and with their slide rings, etc.
Serial No. Weight
4710 955 grams
6691 883 grams (this one was overhauled by Steve Winans.)
9834 998 grams (Super Recording)
9939 1006 grams (Super Recording)
10114 961 grams
10128 1006 grams
15708 957 grams
16001 1005 grams
16409 947 grams
16853 1005 grams
Recordings weigh a bit more, 1100 +/- 20 grams.
17133 998 grams (Olds Standard)
17976 950 grams (Super Recording)
31431 968 grams Super Recording)
59605 1013 grams
333939 1097 grams |
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1969 Olds Custom Crafted 37117 P-10; 32.1 oz
1948 Chicago Benge; 35.6 oz
1978 Schilke B-2; 33.4 0z
Martin Handcrafted Standard 34.0 oz
1947 Conn 22B 38.9oz
Kanstul F Besson Classic b-flat, ser 6003;37.9 oz
Kanstul F Besson Classic b-flat, ser 17508; 38.6 oz
Kanstul F Besson Classic C; 36.3
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Big C
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Big C wrote: | | The digital kitchen scales they make today are super accurate |
What do you use? |
I bought one off of Amazon -- seemed to be highly rated -- for about $20. It is marked "Salubre". Has about a 6" x 6" platform for what needs to be weighed. Seems to be accurate to 1 or 2 one-hundredths of an ounce. I use it for cooking, for mailing and for the aforementioned Pinewood Derby cars. Plenty precise for trumpets, lol.
It is amazing to me, quite frankly, what some of these digital gadgets are capable of nowadays... and for such a small cost.
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Brassnose - Thanks for the thread link. I have it bookmarked now.
Regards,
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Thanks, Big C.
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| so what wrote: | I've weighed several Olds trumpets, all on the same scale.
These are all Supers, unless otherwise specified.
Weights are without mouthpiece and with their slide rings, etc. |
Same...pretty cool comparison!
11xxx 955g
16xxx 1012
18xxx 978
22xxx 964
640xxx 1074
I have a bunch of Benges I've weighed also, quite a difference between
Burbank and LA's for the most part. |
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Just weighed my trumpets. Hard to believe that the Leblanc and Signet weigh identical. Weighted twice to confirm.
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Martin Committee (med bore) 1954 - - - - - - 1020g 35.9 oz
Leblanc Al Hirt Model 1966 - - - - - - - - - - - - 1075g 37.9 oz
Selmer Signet (nickel plated) - - - - - - - - - - 1075g 37.9 oz
Edwards Gen II - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1085g 38.2 oz
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With all these trumpet weights, is there some conclusion to be drawn?
Is the weight of the horn directly related to some characteristic of the sound? To the comfort level of a player after a long gig?
I would have thought other considerations would be just as important to the sound, and the balance more important to the comfort. So, what is the value in knowing the comparative overall weights? I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to learn why you think this is important. Thanks.
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A heavier instrument will have higher inertia and will therefore vibrate differently than a similarly shaped instrument.
Whether that is good or bad is up to the player. It just depends on what the desired tonal characteristics are, resistance/impedance characteristics are, and the playing style of the player. Placement of the weight within the instrument matters, too, but is beyond the scope of this thread.
For me, heavier horns tend to define slots, decrease flexibility, add resistance in the upper register, and will hold the tone together at loud volumes. A lighter horn goes in the opposite direction of those characteristics. I tend toward heavier instruments (for Bb and C - usually about 50% heavier than the standard major offerings). Great players I know feel like they are playing a brick when they try my horns. When I try theirs, I feel like I am sliding around on ice skates and never feel secure.
YMMV.
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