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x9ret
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:10 am    Post subject: Cornet mps: DW 4 vs 4.5 vs 4B Reply with quote

Hi everyone,
I'm playing principal cornet in a brass band regularly now. Am using Denis Wick mouthpieces.

Right now I'm thinking there is just no ideal mouthpiece for all the requirements on a principal cornet player nowadays in the top section.

For modern test pieces, surely a 4B is the most comfortable. Since your typical solo goes up to high D nowadays.

For Christmas music, then this is not the case. Usually solos can be quite low, so 4B is tricky down there. 4 or 4.5 (which I've just bought) makes life easier.

Current thinking is use 4B at all times then switch to 4 or 4.5 for any low or medium register solos.

After using 4.5 briefly, I struggle to tell the difference between it and 4. Although I've heard people say you get less tired on the 4.5.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would make sense that for some the 4.5 is a bit easier to play. It's got a slightly narrower cup diameter, and a slightly smaller throat (bore), so both of those factors will improve playability for some people.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a problem and there is no real solution because composers seem to want trumpety bits and flugely bits from the same cornet soloist. Probably something shallower that can be played fluffily as required by relaxing into it is the solution.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. Will let you know how it goes. Gordon - I am on a Yamaha Maestro cornet too now.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely appreciate the dilemma.

I don't get on with the rims on Wick mouthpieces and although they're playable, they make life a lot harder work than it should/needs to be.


There are mouthpieces from other manufacturers that fall somewhere inbetween (in terms of sound) that would be worth looking at:
- Sparx (plain no-letter variety) is a lot easier to play than either Wick (imho) and the sound sits somewhere in the middle.
- Marcinkiewicz 5XW (you might prefer the 5*W, same quoted cup depth but narrower), good soloist sound a touch brighter than a NL-Wick but softer than Wick-B, a very comfy rim profile and plays easily.
- Yamaha 16E - which used to come with the Maestro cornets - a little brighter than the NL-Wick, easier to play though. Easy to get hold of these.
- Warburton BC's - very comfy rims and a good sound (close to the NL's) but the throat (#27) is tight and makes getting a full range of dynamics harder.

Everything is (as always with mouthpieces) a bit of a compromise.
The Sparx and Marcinkiewicz are the best I've found (for me), for different reasons. I'd thoroughly recommend trying either (the Marc's are cheaper and easier to get hold of in the UK)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You had me thinking about the Marcinkiewicz until I looked at the measurements. Too bad they don't make smaller diameter in that configuration:

http://www.marcinkiewicz.com/mouthpieces/cornet/standard/

And the #23 drill of the bore seems too tight. Glad it works for you.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I want something like a Curry 3 rim on a Wick deep funnel cup.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard III wrote:
You had me thinking about the Marcinkiewicz until I looked at the measurements. Too bad they don't make smaller diameter in that configuration:

http://www.marcinkiewicz.com/mouthpieces/cornet/standard/

And the #23 drill of the bore seems too tight. Glad it works for you.

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All I can say is as a whole it works for me.

Not sure how their specs line up with others, the 5xw doesn't feel any wider than a wick 2 to me though.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Curry DC (deep cornet) range might be worth a look - its kind in between Bach and Dennis Wick in terms of sound and playability with a bach style rim and wick style cup - so you can blend when needed and 'shine' when you have to without busting a gut. I use the curry 3DC. which is marginally larger diameter than DW 4, but much more comfy on my lips.

Other than that, maybe you could work on improving your lower register sound on the 4B if you need to stick to DW (in my limited experience many British cornetists believe that you can only get a 'true' cornet sound on the wick mouthpieces).
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could try an Alliance 3A (or RM 3A) which is half way between a DW 4 and 4b. I also find the Heritage mouthpieces easier to play on than the classic models.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an old thread but will post here to save making a new one...


What's the difference between the Wick 4 and 4.5?

Comments above suggest (as the number would make you expect) that it is narrower, but the wick website lists it as being the exact same diameter - 16.50

So I don't quite get what the difference is?

Am looking for something between a Bach 7 and 10.5C, so the 4.5 would have been my guess except apparently not?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 4.5 is identical to a 4, but it has a narrower throat.
Many many years ago Denis told me it was to achieve a more old fashioned sound, for people who wanted that, but a lot of people find the narrower throat helps overcome issues with some of the large bore cornets.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh okay, thanks! And then the Wick 5 is significantly smaller than a 10.5C judging from the specs. Drat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't comparable because it has f latter, broader rim.
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