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pichakf New Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:32 am Post subject: help me to decide on a new mouthpiece |
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I've been playing trombone and baritone for a REALLY long time, and for
most of that time, I have gone back and forth between 3 of the most
popular Bach mouthpieces. Recently, I purchased a Denis Wick Heritage
12CS. WOW!!! What a difference. I'm getting better tone, better control,
and this mouthpiece is really easy to blow through, especially in the
higher ranges that are sometime required in genres such as jazz. I realize that
the instrument that the mouthpiece is attached to makes a difference,
but in general, on trumpet, I'm using a Bach 3C. I'm an older guy now, and
I don't have the wind that I used to. I was wondering if there was
a mouthpiece, in the dizzying array of mouthpieces available for trumpet,
that might give me the same kind of significant change that the Denis
Wick gave me on trombone and baritone. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8965 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Why not a Dennis Wick Heritage (trumpet) 3C? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
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Dave CCM/SSO Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2015 Posts: 145 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hello!
To be honest, trumpet requires far less air than the low brass instruments that you've played for a long time. In my opinion a 3C is not an extreme mouthpiece in any way, especially for a player that is accustomed to larger, low brass pieces. You may find something that you like better than what you've been using, but I don't believe it will help you feel like you "have more air" or anything like that.
Best of luck!
Dave _________________ Dave
Springfield Symphony Orchestra (OH)
- www.springfieldsym.org
Seven Hills Brass
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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What trumpet make and model are you using? That could be a major contributor to the overall feel. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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pichakf New Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: | What trumpet make and model are you using? That could be a major contributor to the overall feel. |
kind of embarrassing ... being on a fixed income, I had trouble pulling the trigger right now on a trumpet ... I just wanted to start playing, and I've had good luck with other instruments by going the cheap route on ebay ... not even sure that I remember the make and model, but I think this probably answers your question |
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pichakf New Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Why not a Dennis Wick Heritage (trumpet) 3C? |
the Denis Wick is really popular in trombone circles, but I didn't see it come up very frequently when it came to trumpet, so I was naturally hesitant ... I noticed that Denis Wick has a number of different mouthpieces available in
the Heritage format, and I was having trouble deciding on which one ... I appreciate the input ... this is a great forum |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dennis Wicks are standard BBB cornet mouthpieces and used on trumpet too. And the Heritage model trumpet mouthpiece is right on their web page. Easy to find.
The reason I suggest that model is because it's the closest to what you are playing on the big horn as well as a comparative size on trumpet. In your position, I think the best thing is to start out conservatively. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I was wondering if there was a mouthpiece, in the dizzying array of mouthpieces available for trumpet, that might give me the same kind of significant change that the Denis Wick gave me on trombone and baritone. |
Given the vast range of mouthpieces available, there are almost certainly ones that would be a better match, possibly much better. The challenge is in knowing what changes would be helpful: Rim size, contour, throat, backbore, etc. Figuring that out without expensive trial and error may require some help.
Reach out to a reputable mouthpiece maker like Pickett, Hammond, Stork, Reeves...and ask for their advice. They'll ask you questions to help you narrow down the options to a few in their lineup.
Mouthpiece Express allows you to return mouthpieces, so they are a good option if you prefer the trial and error approach. |
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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What were the three "popular" Bach trombone mouthpieces you played? There are a number of us on this forum who also play trombone and this information might be helpful. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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pichakf New Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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nieuwguyski wrote: | What were the three "popular" Bach trombone mouthpieces you played? There are a number of us on this forum who also play trombone and this information might be helpful. |
6 1/2 AL , 12C , and 15 |
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Destructo Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: help me to decide on a new mouthpiece |
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pichakf wrote: | I've been playing trombone and baritone for a REALLY long time, and for
most of that time, I have gone back and forth between 3 of the most
popular Bach mouthpieces. Recently, I purchased a Denis Wick Heritage
12CS. WOW!!! What a difference. I'm getting better tone, better control,
and this mouthpiece is really easy to blow through, especially in the
higher ranges that are sometime required in genres such as jazz. I realize that
the instrument that the mouthpiece is attached to makes a difference,
but in general, on trumpet, I'm using a Bach 3C. I'm an older guy now, and
I don't have the wind that I used to. I was wondering if there was
a mouthpiece, in the dizzying array of mouthpieces available for trumpet,
that might give me the same kind of significant change that the Denis
Wick gave me on trombone and baritone. |
You need less wind to play trumpet. Can you be more specific about what you're looking for? A 3C diameter that is easier in the upper register?
If so, I'd try a ACB TA2 on an MO backbores. Really great 3ish combo which makes the upper register sing |
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Well, your list didn't inspire a stroke of genius.
As has been stated before, we're all different. All I can offer is this: My mouthpieces on both trombone and trumpet have changed as I've hit my late 50s. I used to play a Bach 6.75C on trombone -- now I play a CKB-era (Conn/King/Benge) King 12C for high/bright stuff and an old King M21 for jazz soloing. I used to play Reeves 43 rims on trumpet (close to a Bach 3C diameter) -- now I play Curry mouthpieces around the diameter of a Bach 5C. For me, things have gotten a bit smaller.
Good luck in your quest. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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ericmpena Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I can’t recommend a specific size, but I’d check out Austin Custom Brass for mouthpieces. I’ve tried a few of them and they feel great.
I usually stick with Bach mouthpieces, but I don’t see myself going back to Bach after trying ABC. |
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