Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3303 Location: Endwell NY USA
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:16 am Post subject:
Proteus wrote:
Advice? Sure: copy what she does and sound like she sounds. ...
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That video gives very good pictures of lip and jaw usage.
The various movements and changes are to enable best lip function for the particular notes being played.
Each person has their own particular adjustments, but the overall objective is to find and learn the 'mechanics' and embouchure controls that give good lip control. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
Joined: 21 Jul 2022 Posts: 10 Location: Central Texas
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:46 am Post subject:
JayKosta wrote:
Proteus wrote:
Advice? Sure: copy what she does and sound like she sounds. ...
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That video gives very good pictures of lip and jaw usage.
The various movements and changes are to enable best lip function for the particular notes being played.
Each person has their own particular adjustments, but the overall objective is to find and learn the 'mechanics' and embouchure controls that give good lip control.
I have been reading about Reinhardt pivot method in these threads and questioning which embrouchure type will work best. A 1/2 to 1/2 ratio of top and bottom seems the most awkward and strained. It seems having a 1/3 top with 2/3 bottom facilitates higher range and 2/3 top with 1/3 bottom provides a more natural attraction to lower register. I'm at rudiments and sorting fundamental issues
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9014 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:13 am Post subject:
clovenhoof81 wrote:
I have been reading about Reinhardt pivot method in these threads and questioning which embrouchure type will work best. A 1/2 to 1/2 ratio of top and bottom seems the most awkward and strained. It seems having a 1/3 top with 2/3 bottom facilitates higher range and 2/3 top with 1/3 bottom provides a more natural attraction to lower register.
IMHO, that stuff is just a diversion from just playing. Some people swear by it, but most don't. I think, in overthinking it, this will just confuse you.
Observation. It doesn't sound to me that you really know where the pitches go and how to prepare for them, properly. Play long tones and listen to the tone quality and the pitch. You need a regular long-tone regime.
Then play your music slowly, hearing and playing each note and where it squarely goes.
Get a teacher or at least get some sessions with a local pro. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3303 Location: Endwell NY USA
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:15 pm Post subject:
clovenhoof81 wrote:
I have been reading about Reinhardt pivot method in these threads and questioning which embrouchure type will work best.
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I'm at rudiments and sorting fundamental issues
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My understanding is that Reinhardt was not trying to identify a 'best embouchure type' - but was trying to describe and classify the various embouchure types that people use, and to give advice and instruction about how to make best USE of a person's type.
A person's individual physiology influences what type they are most adept at using. Some 'type changing' is possible, but the goal is finding what works best for them - not to have a particular type as the target. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
Joined: 21 Jul 2022 Posts: 10 Location: Central Texas
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:47 pm Post subject:
JayKosta wrote:
clovenhoof81 wrote:
I have been reading about Reinhardt pivot method in these threads and questioning which embrouchure type will work best.
...
I'm at rudiments and sorting fundamental issues
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My understanding is that Reinhardt was not trying to identify a 'best embouchure type' - but was trying to describe and classify the various embouchure types that people use, and to give advice and instruction about how to make best USE of a person's type.
A person's individual physiology influences what type they are most adept at using. Some 'type changing' is possible, but the goal is finding what works best for them - not to have a particular type as the target.
That makes sense. I got some insight earlier from this podcast that focuses on Reinhardt pivot
The less text you read as a beginner, the better. The more you listen to and imitate pro players, the better. Learn to sing and then imitate the pitches on your horn as well.
All this talk about Reinhardt, embouchure, etc is making me cry for you. I'd prefer you keep doing exactly as you demonstrate in your video and stay off of Trumpetherald for about 5-10 years.
That video gives very good pictures of lip and jaw usage.
The various movements and changes are to enable best lip function for the particular notes being played.
Each person has their own particular adjustments, but the overall objective is to find and learn the 'mechanics' and embouchure controls that give good lip control.
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9014 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:32 am Post subject:
abontrumpet wrote:
The less text you read as a beginner, the better. The more you listen to and imitate pro players, the better. Learn to sing and then imitate the pitches on your horn as well.
All this talk about Reinhardt, embouchure, etc is making me cry for you. I'd prefer you keep doing exactly as you demonstrate in your video and stay off of Trumpetherald for about 5-10 years.
^^^^^^ LOL. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 689 Location: Texas South Plains
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:06 pm Post subject:
A.N.A.Mendez wrote:
Long tones. LONG TONES.
A great big +1. That was the first thing I thought. But I would add be sure to approach long tones by counting down, making your best clean attack, and counting the duration, with a clean precise stop (end with a breath stop (haa) not the abrupt "HUT" tongued stop).
And find a mentor or better a qualified teacher. Good habits are really essential and it helps to learn from the start). _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
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Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc.
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From watching that video, the quality of the sound seems to indicate producing a 'trumpet sound' by 'lip buzzing' the desired sound INTO the mouthpiece. NO!
This is a good video about learning how to make sound correctly -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxTb2gEaTU4 _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9014 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:48 pm Post subject:
huntman10 wrote:
A.N.A.Mendez wrote:
Long tones. LONG TONES.
But I would add be sure to approach long tones by counting down, making your best clean attack, and counting the duration, with a clean precise stop (end with a breath stop (haa) not the abrupt "HUT" tongued stop).
And hear the pitch in your mind before you play that tone.
Better yet, sing the tone, keep that thought in your inner ear, then play. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Joined: 21 Jul 2022 Posts: 10 Location: Central Texas
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:33 pm Post subject:
Thanks to all for the advice. I got a good deal on a Blessing 1460 Bb horn. It's arriving very soon, so I can practice with decent valves and operable main slide, with 1st & 3rd valve slides. The plastic trumpet doesn't have good valve slides. I watched an interview of Chet Baker who said he utilized long tones when relearning his cup placement.
The less text you read as a beginner, the better. The more you listen to and imitate pro players, the better. Learn to sing and then imitate the pitches on your horn as well.
All this talk about Reinhardt, embouchure, etc is making me cry for you. I'd prefer you keep doing exactly as you demonstrate in your video and stay off of Trumpetherald for about 5-10 years.
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