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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:35 am Post subject: |
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donovan wrote: | Hi kehaulani, I'm not sure I understand the reason for your repost? |
Me neither. Gremlins. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Destructo Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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abontrumpet wrote: | Yes, I am aware there are differences between the masterclass setting and the private setting. But the number of world class teachers that are able to take struggling students to nearly pro level in 30 minutes has reaffirmed my experience in teaching which is that embouchure issues are further down the list than most make it out to be. |
Can you PM me with some links if they're on the internet? I'd love to watch them! |
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Destructo Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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To bring this back on topic a bit...
Free buzzing is useful for all types so long as it is done correctly (downstream), and that is something that can be taught in a group situation. But it would be important to say very directly I think that we don't buzz into the mouthpiece, it's just an exercise. I would probably suggest ending any buzzing with clearly saying "okay, now we're going to play, remember we just blow air into the instrument, we don't buzz into it" and then do some "place, breathe, blow" breath attack stuff.
I would also suggest working on develop the "place, breathe, play" and corner-breathing habit, which will save a lot of problem in the long run I think. This is applicable to most wind instruments, except flute.
Then in terms of actual playing, a lot of the important stuff could be worked into a warmup that the whole band does.
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- air attacks, and "hoo doo doo" exercises etc.
- The pivot stabaliser could be done, but without talking about pivot (let it happen on its own). Explain it as working on making sure you're going from note to note quickly and cleanly, and that the intonation on both notes is good. Probably just do G (4counts) - C (4 counts) - G (4 counts). Repeat. A bunch of times. A whole band can work on this and get benefits.
- The alternating between tonguing and slurring in the same breath like in the track routine would also be great for a whole band. Could practice flexibility exercises or scales where it alternates between the two.
You don't need to talk about the pivot.
The most important thing would be to watch and listen for any funny business that is going to become a long term bad habit someone else will have to fix.
If need be, and you have the ability to do so, you could try and build in some time to address anything weird that's going on with specific students. So, maybe band finishes 5 minutes early, and you can touch base with a student where you noticed a bad habit forming, or they're not quite getting something, and give them a few minutes of direct attention.
Those are the thoughts that come to mind that would work in a band setting, are Reinhardt-based, and would probably be hugely helpful in the long run. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Donovan, if your wife does use Reinhardt in her school band tuition, could you let us know how it went - the Good, the Bad and the Ugly? Thanks.
(I know the wait will be long. No problem.) _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Josephtriscari Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with kehaulani 100%….
Way too complicated at an early development…
When I was very young and just starting out..
My uncle handed me the “Arubans”!! Lol _________________ Benge Trumpet
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Josephtriscari Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry …. Arbans… _________________ Benge Trumpet
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Wilktone Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Aug 2002 Posts: 727 Location: Asheville, NC
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Josephtriscari wrote: | I agree with kehaulani 100%….
Way too complicated at an early development…
When I was very young and just starting out..
My uncle handed me the “Arubans”!! Lol |
Don't confuse what a teacher learns about with what the teacher tells her students. I agree that getting into the different embouchure types, for example, is too complicated for beginners. Some experienced adult musicians have trouble grasping it too. Reinhardt did have suggestions for how to start beginners that I posted earlier and when a teacher breaks those instructions down into manageable chunks over the longer term they are definitely practical for a band director to use with beginning brass students.
Reinhardt used the Arbans too. _________________ wilktone.com |
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JoshMizruchi Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Posts: 603 Location: Newark, NJ
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Wilktone wrote: | Josephtriscari wrote: | I agree with kehaulani 100%….
Way too complicated at an early development…
When I was very young and just starting out..
My uncle handed me the “Arubans”!! Lol |
Don't confuse what a teacher learns about with what the teacher tells her students. I agree that getting into the different embouchure types, for example, is too complicated for beginners. Some experienced adult musicians have trouble grasping it too. Reinhardt did have suggestions for how to start beginners that I posted earlier and when a teacher breaks those instructions down into manageable chunks over the longer term they are definitely practical for a band director to use with beginning brass students.
Reinhardt used the Arbans too. |
Dave or anyone else who may know: did Reinhardt use the Arbans for anything besides the endurance drill A?
I remember hearing he was asked to edit the Arbans book and he said if he did, he would put the whole book up a major third. _________________ Josh Mizruchi
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Mike Sailors Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Well, first off, the man's name is Reinhardt - not Rheinhart. I think we can all agree that we should spell his name correctly when talking about his life's work.
I have only worked with one absolute beginner. I started teaching him when I moved back to Texas in 2019. He is a very gifted pianist who for some reason wanted to learn the Trumpet.
He's 8 years old and can play from low C to high C with a nice sound and good articulation, and it's a direct result of the Reinhardt principles I started him on from day 1.
Reinhardt isn't complicated. WE make it hard.
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