View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
TheFabulousFatman Regular Member
Joined: 04 Jul 2022 Posts: 11 Location: Hilton, NY
|
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:25 pm Post subject: Olds Ambassador Valve Numbers |
|
|
Hi - I recently purchased an Olds LA Ambassador c. 1953 and when I removed the valves from their casings I noticed they weren't numbered other than the serial number for the horn. I assume this was typical and not an anomoly but it just seems kind of strange given this was supposedly a student horn and theoretically was being taken apart and put together by people unfamiliar with how it works. Aso, any idea when Olds went from a ring style lead pipe finger ring to the more traditional "C" shaped one?
Thanks in advance for your help.
The Fatman |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dr-pepp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 541 Location: Austin TX
|
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
On the Olds pistons that have the serial number, the number of the piston (1, 2, or 3) is typically stamped above the slot in the spring barrel on the side that faces the leadpipe, with the serial number stamped 90 degrees to the side of this on the spring barrel. I have a similar vintage Ambassador that has the numbers in this location.
The finger ring was replaced with the hook in the mid to late 50's. I have one with a 153xxx serial number that has the ring. I'm sure there are Ambassador owners that can chime in with more specific dates. _________________ Clay Collins
Owner, Centex Brass
www.centexbrass.com
also administrator of Olds Central
www.olds-central.com |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dr-pepp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 541 Location: Austin TX
|
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
A quick search of ebay shows an Ambassador with SN 249483 (1958) that still has the ring instead of a hook. That is about when I think the change occurred.
Of course lots of modifications could have occurred over the years, but this one looks to be in original condition. _________________ Clay Collins
Owner, Centex Brass
www.centexbrass.com
also administrator of Olds Central
www.olds-central.com |
|
Back to top |
|
|
A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5227 Location: ca.
|
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
Those numbers ( 1,2,3 ) can be hard to see under the spring. It would be the as Dr. Pepp stated, the "X" side of the valve guide (Unless someone moved the guide bar/pin ) _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
☛ "No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up" Lily Tomlin☚ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
TheFabulousFatman Regular Member
Joined: 04 Jul 2022 Posts: 11 Location: Hilton, NY
|
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks for the info folks. When I get home tonight I will give those valves another look. I'm impressed by the heft of this horn - currently it is the only Olds I own. Are they all built like tanks? lol As a student level horn it would've had to have been to stand up to the abuse it could receive . I love the design of the water key levers - simple round rods that look great and get the job done. And it's fun to play, too! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2021 Posts: 978 Location: Europe
|
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Perhaps a little less than the Ambassador model, but the Olds horns I own feel pretty solid too (though not really heavy, just not…delicate?). _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
AR Resonance mouthpieces |
|
Back to top |
|
|
homebilly Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 2197 Location: Venice, CA & Paris, France
|
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
my LAs fascinate me with their style.
simple yet complex braces and super hip water keys
i don't usually keep pinky rings on my horns but i do on my
LA Ambassados. the ring is just too hip to remove _________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
waiting for Fed-Ex to deliver a $50 trumpet to my door. shipping was prepaid by seller of course!
http://ronmeza.com
http://highdefinitionbigband.com |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|