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natepeck1230@gmail.com New Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2022 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:06 pm Post subject: Mouthpiece switch! |
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Hello! I’ve been playing lead trumpet for a while now with a beat up Yamaha bobby shew lead that was thrown at me in high school. I made it work really well and consistently got great playing out of it. Recently my professional playing has switched from jazz to orchestral. I primarily play on a 1-1/4C for about 75% of my playing and the Bobby shew isn’t working quite like it used to now that my lips are more used to a bigger cup. Are there any suggestions for a nicer mouthpiece that has the same bite and sound of the Shew with just a little bit bigger sized rim to lessen the gap between the bigger one? Thanks! |
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nltrumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Have you considered the Yamaha Bobby Shew “Jazz” mouthpiece? I believe they are a similar contour, but the jazz is slightly wider and less shallow. |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1830 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps a Curry DE or M. You might start with the 3 rim rather than the 1.25 rim. |
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Dunno if it's what you're looking for, but since you mentioned a bigger rim maybe a Bob Reeves 43WES could work for you? _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
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trickg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:42 am Post subject: |
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This happens to me on occasion. There was a time when most of my playing was done in the wedding band, and at that point, other than playing gigs that were specifically classical in nature, I used my wedding band set - the Warburton 4SVW on a KT backbore.
In the last year or so I've done very little playing on that Warburton setup, and as a result, it's not working great. However, having gone through this a time or two before, I know that I have to set aside the bigger equipment and take my time re-acclimating to the the Warburton. Have you tried that? It might take a few days of doing everything on that mouthpiece before you'll be comfortable using it again. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Have you considered a compromise rim -- perhaps something in the 3-range that would work for orchestra and lead?
Then you'd figure out a cup and backbore that give you the best results for whatever playing you are doing.
For example, I play on a Pickett 3 rim. I generally use a 3BC cup and an open backbore on my C trumpet, a 3B cup and open backbore on my cornet, and a 3CD cup with a tighter backbore for most of my Bb playing. This makes it really easy to switch between them when practicing or performing. |
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BreakFromTheHerd Veteran Member
Joined: 12 Apr 2022 Posts: 138
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Mouthpiece switch! |
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natepeck1230@gmail.com wrote: | Are there any suggestions for a nicer mouthpiece that has the same bite and sound of the Shew with just a little bit bigger sized rim to lessen the gap between the bigger one? Thanks! |
Bach 3S Commercial
It has a wider diameter cup, an awesome rim, and a similar sound to the Shew lead. |
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JVL Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:17 am Post subject: |
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hello
maybe try a Marcinkiewicz Bob or Chuck Findley mpc.
Globally in the 1 1/2 C ID park, Bob's being a bit narrower than Chuck's one.
Best |
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Marcinkiewicz E3.1 JWM |
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trumpet2012fhl Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Mouthpiece switch! |
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natepeck1230@gmail.com wrote: | the Bobby shew isn’t working quite like it used to now that my lips are more used to a bigger cup. |
This happened to me when I started trying different mouthpieces in college. Let me share what worked for me. I found what size rim I like (or around those sizes) and I stuck with that. Up until then I had only tried the normal 7,5,3 C and the similarly sized Yamaha/Schilke pieces. The first ones I started experimenting with was Warburton because it was cheaper to just buy cups on eBay. I did find that while I liked the bigger cup sizes for the sound and comfort, I was sacrificing other aspects of my playing. I tried quite a few others out until I really found my groove with GR mouthpieces. I found out I like a 66 rim. So now I have a 66S (lead), 66C* (symphonic/general), 66FL (flugel). I'm not trying to sell you on a brand, but just share what I found. I like that all the rims feel exactly the same, but the cup is different.
I know that isn't the same for everyone though. Some people feel like an orchestral piece needs to be the biggest you can play on and then a lead piece needs to be a bent dime. My suggestion is to try as many as you can and see what works for you.
P.S. I liked the Wick 4X (Similar diameter) for marching in college for the wide rim. I felt like I had more surface area so it wasn't crammed into my lip as bad. |
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bach_again Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Have a look over the Vennture Lede fit kit - the LV3 and LC3 specifically might fit your needs. That said it depends on how much intrusion you have now - you might consider putting a 1 1/4C rim on a more efficient cup and having Vennture make it for you. Cookie will print you prototypes in resin for a very reasonable cost (these are giggable, believe me!!) and also - consider looking at the rims and cup profile shapes on VennCAD and perhaps you will identify a shortlist of pieces which suit your needs - informed decisions are the best.
I know Vennture made my mentor a custom piece - I don't know what he settled on in the end, but it was something like a 1C rim on a Warb 3S cup with tweaks to make these profiles play well together.
I went the other way - I had my favourite rim put on a 1 1/4C cup for my classical playing, couple tweaks, and I love it!
Good luck!
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 725 Location: SE US
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Mouthpiece switch! |
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trumpet2012fhl wrote: | natepeck1230@gmail.com wrote: | the Bobby shew isn’t working quite like it used to now that my lips are more used to a bigger cup. |
I found what size rim I like (or around those sizes) and I stuck with that....I like that all the rims feel exactly the same, but the cup is different... My suggestion is to try as many as you can and see what works for you. |
Like trumpet2012fhl, I found a rim that I could base everything else on and stuck with it since 1971! The other components change as my needs change, which is very often these days due to the variety of styles that I am called to play (sometimes several in a single day and occasionally during a single performance). Also, certain setups just work better with specific horns as well. Consistency in rim shape and feel are, at least for me, a requirement that keeps all other things trumpet progressing in an easier and familiar direction.
Life is Short, find the Joy in it!
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
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