Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:42 pm Post subject: Small ID Bach cornet mouthpieces for soprano cornet
Hi!
In a couple of months I am going to play soprano cornet. I have been playing on a Yamaha 6610T for a while now. I have been searching this forum looking for opinions on mouthpieces and so on. It has been very helpful, but I do have som questions about Bach cornet mouthpieces. Currently I use a Denis Wick S. I like it and it produces a lovely sound. I play on a Denis Wick 4 (RW4) on my Bb cornet, so it feels familiar. But I need a mouthpiece with a little bit more bright sound as well. I have been testing several Bach mouthpieces from 1.5C and up to 5C. I like the C-cup, the sound is just what I am looking for. But I need a smaller cup diameter. I am looking at Bach 10C and 10.5C to start with. It seems like 10.5C and 17C are the most popular soprano cornet mouthpieces on this forum. But what about 10C, 11C and 12C? I would appriciate som advices on these smaller ID Bach mouthpieces as I have never played on them before.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:24 am Post subject:
I inherited a 10c with a commercial trumpet I bought. I do like it and it doesn't feel dramatically smaller than a 7c. Bach's catalogue describes it this way: "Same rim as No. 10, but with a medium C cup. Especially broad, flat surface. designed for high notes and sparkling brilliancy."
For small and bright you could try the Yamaha 7D or 8D. They are both short shank.
Thank you for the suggestion. I will check them out. Off course I can't buy all of the mouthpieces suggested in all of the soprano cornet threads. But I know I am ok with Bach mouthpieces, I like the rim on most of the Bach mouthpieces I have tried so far. So I think I'll start with 10C or 10.5C.
HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote:
I inherited a 10c with a commercial trumpet I bought. I do like it and it doesn't feel dramatically smaller than a 7c. Bach's catalogue describes it this way: "Same rim as No. 10, but with a medium C cup. Especially broad, flat surface. designed for high notes and sparkling brilliancy."
Yes, I did have a good look at Bach mouthpiece catalogue. 10C also has 16.00 mm ID, that's the same as Denis Wick S. I know those numbers may not be correct, but I have to start somewhere anyway.
Peter Roberts said in an interview that he has been playing a Bach 17C for 35 years. ...“As I’ve said – I think I’ve been very lucky. I was given the mouthpiece I use to day over 35 years ago (Bach 17C – for all of you who will now go out and buy one) and I was brought up playing on a Besson Class A soprano until 1983 when I started to play on the Schilke which I stuck with ever since. That’s not a secret recipe is it?”
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:59 am Post subject:
4-5 years ago, can't remember exactly, I bought a B & H Imperial Eb cornet from a friend. Pretty silly because I had nowhere to play it. I then started down the mouthpiece rabbit hole. I bought the 17C because "The Man" played it. The Wick S followed. Or maybe the other way around. Curry P was also there. The best combination? Curry DC.
I still have the cornet and the mouthpieces. The closest band that needs a soprano player is probably hundreds of miles away. Welcome to America. Few brass bands. One sop chair in each. Reminds me of college with graduates waiting for years for an opening to get hired, somewhere.
Oh, and along the way I thought there must be a better sop, so I tried everything I could find, old and new. The result was I stayed with the old Imperial. _________________ Richard
Peter Roberts said in an interview that he has been playing a Bach 17C for 35 years. ...“As I’ve said – I think I’ve been very lucky. I was given the mouthpiece I use to day over 35 years ago (Bach 17C – for all of you who will now go out and buy one) and I was brought up playing on a Besson Class A soprano until 1983 when I started to play on the Schilke which I stuck with ever since. That’s not a secret recipe is it?”
Sounds fantastic, I have been listening to that youtube clip many times! How he can sound like that on a Bach 17C is just amazing.
Richard III wrote:
4-5 years ago, can't remember exactly, I bought a B & H Imperial Eb cornet from a friend. Pretty silly because I had nowhere to play it. I then started down the mouthpiece rabbit hole. I bought the 17C because "The Man" played it. The Wick S followed. Or maybe the other way around. Curry P was also there. The best combination? Curry DC.
I still have the cornet and the mouthpieces. The closest band that needs a soprano player is probably hundreds of miles away. Welcome to America. Few brass bands. One sop chair in each. Reminds me of college with graduates waiting for years for an opening to get hired, somewhere.
Oh, and along the way I thought there must be a better sop, so I tried everything I could find, old and new. The result was I stayed with the old Imperial.
I did have a Curry 3P. But it's ID was too small for me when I am playing soprano cornet. But Curry mouthpieces are not very expensive, so both 7P and 8.5P looks promising. I have not played many soprano cornets. I know that Schilke is highly recommended. But I am not going to buy a new horn right now. I am just looking forward to play the bands Yamaha sop in a couple of months. I hope you will get an oppprtunity to play sop in a band again as well.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:52 am Post subject:
Finding what works may be pretty difficult. If you like the DW S, I'd suggest figuring out what you would like to improve, and try to use that as a starting point.
The Bach mouthpiece catalogue is a pretty good read, with lots of info helping people make a selection and figure out what you may want to change, so I'd suggest grabbing the pdf.
As For brass band playing (which I presume is the reason playing soprano cornet), the rest of the band has a really dark sound, this is where the soprano cornet has to really give the band a brighter edge, and you do want some contrast between the soprano and the solo cornet bench. What this means is, use that specialist role and unique profile of the soprano cornet, to your advantage, and go for a mouthpiece that leans on the bright/shrill side, rather than the warmth that the rest of the band can provide in spades. Discuss with your conductor as to what they may prefer as well out of your sound.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:26 pm Post subject:
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I did have a Curry 3P. But it's ID was too small for me when I am playing soprano cornet. But Curry mouthpieces are not very expensive, so both 7P and 8.5P looks promising.
I did have a Curry 3P. But it's ID was too small for me when I am playing soprano cornet. But Curry mouthpieces are not very expensive, so both 7P and 8.5P looks promising.
Want to explain that?
I will try. I am finding it a bit difficult to explain everything in English since it is not my native language. I bought a Curry 3BBC for me Bb cornet. I also bought a Curry 3P. Curry mouthpieces are affordable compared to many other brands, so I gave them a go. They are very good mouthpieces. I think the Curry 3 series has around 16.90mm ID. Now I am playing on a Denis Wick S with 16.00mm ID. I just thought I would try to find another mouthpiece with approximately the same ID as the Denis Wick S. I will play on Denis Wick S most of the time. But sometimes I think I need another mouthpiece with brighter sound and maybe (I know I have to practice) a bit securer high register. That is why I thought Curry 7P or 8,5P could be allright. And also 7DC or 8.5DC as you suggested.
Edit: Now I see why you are confused... I ment that Curry 3 ID is too wide. When that is said Curry 3 feels smaller than 16.90mm ID. I feel that Curry 3BBC and Denis Wick 4 almost have the same ID. I know there are many opinions on how different brands measure their mouthpieces.
I have been playing sop for a while now. I did buy some used Bach mouthpieces on Ebay. I bought Bach 10C, 8 and 7C. I also bought a Bach 7 Mt Vernon. I've heard so much about those Mt Vernon mouthpieces, so I had to try one of them. I liked the Bach 8 (corp) best. The C cup is not for me, the sound is overall too bright. We are all different, I have heard sop players use C cup with excellent results.
Then I tried a Curry 3DC that I have. I was certain that the ID would be too wide. As I said the Curry 3P did not work for me. But the 3DC was really comfortable. I like the sound and feel from that mouthpiece. It might be a bit harder reaching the notes above G2, but overall it is much better to blend in with the rest of the cornets.
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