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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:15 am    Post subject: Please Help ID a Vintage Conn Reply with quote

Hope someone can help me determine what flavor Conn I have. It looks like it might be a New Invention. The S/N 117939 indicates it may have been made in 1911.

I'd like also like to know if that S/N puts it before or after the fire.

Thanks!

https://jimhatfieldpix.smugmug.com/Vintage-Conn-Cornet/i-sd7s36D/A
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnNICircusBore1911image.html

That says you own that model.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a small bore Circus I did own and sold. The horn in the photo I posted is a different one.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you confirm the patent number? It looks like 21907 which is for a steam engine.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only patent info on the horn is April 1, 1907.

I emailed Christine Derksen hoping she can tell me more.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the other side of it looks like this?



https://www.ebay.com/itm/224769819249
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discussed here:

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnPerfWonder-with-mechanism1908image.html
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Page 14 - is this a possibility from 1910?
https://www.saxophone.org/museum/publications/id/67


Or -
Page 4 in 1911?
https://www.saxophone.org/museum/publications/id/146
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on everything I've been able to learn it's a New Wonder made in 1911 and appears to be a 1 1/2 bore. I don't have a micrometer but the second slide is virtually identical to an Olds Ambassador I have and it's .460.

Plays great - sweet and mellow - but I have a 1980s Conn long cornet that has a perfect sound for Dixie so the New Wonder is going on the block.

Just put it on eBay for a big number hoping there's a player/collector out there that hasn't had his savings trashed yet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115538902363
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,

I am pretty sure that your horn is a Perfected Wonder, based on the tubing between the valves.

HML
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Those early horns can be confusing.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These get so tricky. The serial number charts would have us believe this is a Circus Bore. But those charts never accurately account for the fire. I would agree, this is pre-fire, and thus a Perfected Wonder, not a New Invention Circus Bore.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, all!
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