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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:56 am Post subject:
One thing is pretty sure regarding the difference between players now and the guys that were in their prime in the 40’s 50’s 60’s etc….
Back then they played louder with a bigger sound and they hit way harder. When I was young in the early 80’s, old guys sounded great. With huge sound, and very slamming note fronts. Not unmusical either, just great air, sound, reading and accuracy, and endurance. More so by quite bit compared to young guys now. Especially true with bone players by the way. I’m talking about big band/commercial players _________________ Mouthpiece Maker
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:44 am Post subject:
The question sort of seems similar to the "if a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one around to hear it fall, does it make a sound?"
I think there are many excellent players today, just that we're in a different era where instrumentalism just isn't all that mainstream any more.
For pop/jazz, well just about any sort of music where the trumpet is front and centre; none of that is popular today. The last crop of jazz trumpeters that are still active were mostly able to establish themselves back in the 80's, and jazz is hardly mainstream today. Invariably also, the problem that I have with looking at the best technical musicians, is that their performance usually devolves into a freak show, and it's more for insiders (i.e. those who appreciate the technical talent) rather than mainstream audiences.
For classical music, well, anything that could be recorded, already has, and we've had access to decent enough technology, that the sound quality has been "good enough" for many decades. This is where giants like Maurice Andre come in, because he was a really good player, but also lived in a time where recording quality was already such that the end result is "high fidelity". Like lets face it, how many trumpet players are going to keep releasing recordings of the same repertoire?
The only person I can think of, who has broken out into more mainstream music this century is Timmy Trumpet, and yea, I did a search and it doesn't look like he's been mentioned on this forum yet. Not exactly a genre of music which trumpet players are known and renowned for.
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:56 pm Post subject: Today's players 40s through the 80s
It is another one of those who is the "GOAT" arguments. The people that could play, could play, and today the people that can play, can really play. There is plenty to appreciate from every decade of music. Personally, I still get out my dubbed CD of Stan Kenton's Neophonic Orchestra if I want to hear what I think "throxos" is GUTS. Now my teacher latched onto a copy of that in '63 or '64 and it set up a new mark. This dynamic soaring sound from everyone and trumpets that just shook the room. i like that sound the best of all of everything I ever listened to. I know the people who played the music were good technically, but is really that sound. i feel the same about musicians today and perhaps they are more technically proficient going through a university. There are great young people out there. I think the guys that cut those old LPs back in the day were as good as any people, ever, and that is MHO. Thanks to all. _________________ "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality,
there is one that lives to lay waste to woodwinds and strings, leaving them lie blue and lifeless along a swath of destruction that is a
trumpeter's fury-then there is the dark side!" Irving Bush
Although Goby is correct in what he says, I am 86 and yes, maybe I live in the past, but there was a magic surrounding the great players of that era that is missing today.
That seems well spoken. In the jazz world, I'm not against checking out Ingrid Jensen and others, but have wondered if there are players left that play jazz and trumpet in a like manner below.. Anyone know ?
He went out of his way to address that he wasn't a dyed in the wool jazz icon... "It's not a jazz trumpet, I never said it was a jazz trumpet.."
A class act when you're gracious enough to offer that statement, in case musicians resented his playing in some way. It would be fairly ridiculous if they did.
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:04 am Post subject:
Hirt had that kind of magic I was speaking of.
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I saw Maynard in the early 2000s. It was a clean performance, it wasn't during his resurgence.....but he had stage presence, charisma, and he owned us.
I've seen Wynton and his septet, Wynton and the LCJO...there's something about watching that band take the stage in those Brooks Brothers suits that lets you know they mean business and you're in for something special.
I think what my generation lacks is modern day showmen on OUR instrument to show the way. WHO is getting out there like a Maynard or Doc and putting on a SHOW. Where can you go to hear them? _________________ --Matt--
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In the jazz world, I'm not against checking out Ingrid Jensen and others, but have wondered if there are players left that play jazz and trumpet in a like manner below.. Anyone know ?
Brian Lynch? Ryan Kisor? I think there are a lot of trumpet players who can play in that straight ahead mainstream bop/post-bop jazz style (and like to), but these days they have to play in a variety of styles and gigs (plus hold down a college faculty teaching position, if possible) if they want to make a living from music full time. The result is that there isn't that close connection between the player, that jazz style, and an audience large enough to sustain it in the forefront of public attention.
On a personal level, that is my favorite musical genre -- I'm just grateful I can still buy recordings of it, and occasionally discover new artists keeping the style alive and evolving by listening to radio programs (usually crammed into oddball time slots on publicly-funded local stations) that feature it. _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:35 pm Post subject:
rothman wrote:
GeorgeB wrote:
Although Goby is correct in what he says, I am 86 and yes, maybe I live in the past, but there was a magic surrounding the great players of that era that is missing today.
That seems well spoken. In the jazz world, I'm not against checking out Ingrid Jensen and others, but have wondered if there are players left that play jazz and trumpet in a like manner below.. Anyone know ?
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:56 am Post subject:
GeorgeB wrote:
Although Goby is correct in what he says, I am 86 and yes, maybe I live in the past, but there was a magic surrounding the great players of that era that is missing today.
George
Well said!
So much more creativity with a handful of exceptions.
(today's players being post 20th century)
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The players of old didn’t just have to learn how to play stuff, they had to invent the stuff as well. Modern players can build on the previous generation’s experimentation and then add their own, which effectively gives them more options. But to say either is better…they just have different challenges. _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
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We don't marvel at Pops because he was perfect, we marvel at him because of what was inside him, and how he let it ease out of him........ _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
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An instance of a youngster with good range in high school , not all that impressive on a variety of YT clips. Somehow -- with maturity he ended up developing into a very solid player, and musically as well :
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