Warm sound + not too open horns

[Trollet]

Hi guys!
Looking for horn recommendations on my endless safari. Looking for a horn with some resistance, think of a bach 37 with 25 leadpipe, but with a teutonic, warm sound with lots of spread. I'm soo not into the big blowing horns, i want a medium resistance with a warm sound. Is the martin Committee #2 bore good? Schilke B7 perhaps?
Thanks.
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Bach 7FL

[abontrumpet]

I'm happy to delete this if somebody has specific info on the question you answered, but for me, warmth is easier achieved with a mouthpiece change rather than a horn change. I've heard cornets sound like trumpets with the right mouthpiece and vice versa.

If we look at this thread from 2007 about Chris Botti's setup (https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67189) we see that while he is playing a committee, the mouthpiece is also exactly what you need to achieve the sound he does

[Dayton]

I agree that you might consider a mouthpiece change, but if you decide to go with a new trumpet, a Getzen 3051 is worth considering. Bach 25-style leadpipe, and a 72-style heavy gold brass bell. Wonderfully rich, warm sound, and still fairly versatile.

[kehaulani]

"Looking for horn for a horn with some resistance, think of a Bach 37 with 25 leadpipe, but with a Teutonic, warm sound with lots of spread."

I think this conjures up different sounds fir different people. What players' sound best demonstrates the sound you seek? Maybe a link?
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[Jerry]

Bach Vindabona

Rotary

[OldSchoolEuph]

[bach_again]

[jhatpro]

Best, cheapest way to get a warmer sound is get an HT3-JAZZ mouthpiece from Steve Dillard on https://www.horntrader.com/product/ht3-jazz/
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[mr oakmount]

bach_again is spot-on.

My first trumpet instructor had a Conn 38B, and when he played softly, it was as warm as any trumpet has a right to be. But it also really lit up when he pushed it.

Or go the whole hog for a Fehrer/Votruba/Schagerl/Lechner/... "Viennese" Rotary Valve Trumpet with a Breslmair G2 mouthpiece

[Subtropical and Subpar]

[kramergfy]

Stick with the 37; get a deep mouthpiece and dark backbore with the same rim you play, then get a medium bore tuning slide.

Or as others suggested, try a 72 Vindabona. It will blow familiar like a 37 and act like a 37 intonation wise, but have a much broader and darker core sound.
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[mr oakmount]

Mouthpieces ... well ... it depends.

Yes, of course it is true. A change of mouthpiece will change the sound of the trumpet, radically so. I do try to find 2 to 3 different mouthpieces to complement each of my instruments to give me a range of sounds and characteristics.

However, every trumpet has its "comfort zone". My Adams A5 is happiest with narrow backbores and shallowish cups. Yes, with a big mouthpiece I can make it sound like a "teutonic" classical/orchestral trumpet, but it will cause problems (very open in the high range, intonation), so I might go to my Yamaha 6335GH instead (which I would not use for "commercial", even though I do have a screamer mouthpiece for it).

Yes, do find a mouthpiece for the sound you like, but not to push your instrument out of the zone where its strengths lie.

[Brassnose]

Rotary trumpet or a mouthpiece such as Curry TF or TC would probably work.
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[JeffTheHornGuy]

I'd second the Puje - I have one, and the blow definitely has that cornet style resistance yet a nice warmth and responsiveness. (I'm also selling mine, but that doesn't change my recommendation!)
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[Locutus2k]

First we need to understand what you mean for "warm". I see often a confusion between "warm" and "dark". Chet Baker has a "dark sound", Harry James has a "warm" sound. With this in mind, assuming you're looking for a "warm" harry james like sound, my suggestion is to look at the mouthpiece. For MY playing i can have a "warm" sound using medium shallow pieces with a compressed backbore (the Curry 5Z is my choice for this kind of sound, but to each his own of course). Once you've found a piece that gives you the sound you're looking for you can start looking for the best horn to match. The ultimate in "warm" sound in my opinion is a piece as suggested plus a vintage Conn (the 8b, rare to find, is the warmer -always imho).
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[Trollet]

Thanks for the many replies! I have many different mouthpieces and have "flugel" cup mouthpieces, but i would really like to stick to two mouthpieces, 1 for lead, and 1 for allround (C cup). I dont want to have to go to the very deeps cups, but still have a warmer sound. So a horn sooo dark, it sounds too dark for allround work with a C cup.
I have found the trumpets with a very broad big sound is very open in nature, is their any way to find a horrn that can have this broad nature without being huge. Maybe these huge belled trumpets such as lotus solo max or taylor is the way to go? Pls give me more thoughts i love hearing from you'all!

(Deep inside i know practicing my sound concept is the real solution here but hey go with me!)
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Horns:
Yamaha ytr-6335H
Looking for a flugelhorn!
Mpcs:
GR 64SZ* - and a bunch more
Bach 7FL

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