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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2022 Posts: 261 Location: NY
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:21 am Post subject: Kanstul 1502 sounds amazing!😀 |
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Guys, I just heard THE sound I've been looking for...a Kanstul 1502...on a YouTube video.
The guy wasn't a pro (I don't think)...but the sound was AMAZING!
My only question (as a comeback player) is: How does this horn play?
Are there problems with slotting, intonation, etc?
Thanks!
Ken
P.S. It's my understanding that Kanstul is no longer in business?
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2020 Posts: 627 Location: Here and there
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Yes, sadly Kanstul went out of business a few years back. It's a tough industry to be in, with many (most?) of the companies we cherish having gone under or been bought out at some point. Kanstul, Shires, Olds, Conn, virtually all the pieces of the Conn-Selmer empire (which itself is a subsidiary of Steinway Musical Instruments, which in turn is owned by the hedge fund Paulson & Co.).
Anyways Kanstul made great trumpets, at least judging by the most excellent 991 I have, based heavily on the Conn Connstellation. Other TH members have much more personal experience with the full gamut of Kanstuls, but I will note that their website is still active/archived so you can learn more about the 1502. It's rather remarkable; they made over a dozen quite distinct trumpets, along with several cornets and what a lot of people thought was the definitive flugelhorn. I'd love to get my hands on a 1500 someday. _________________ 1932 King Silvertone cornet
1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
1965 Conn 38A
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
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Mike Prestage Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 722 Location: Hereford, UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:33 am Post subject: |
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One of my students has one and it's a rock solid horn with no playability issues. Sound wise it's got a relatively distinct character compared to more middle-of-the-road horns (I think it's more or less a copy of a Calicchio design) but when all's said and done it's only a trumpet! I honestly don't think it's fair to the player to give the horn credit for the impression their sound made on you. (There's also a whole load of potential discussion about the ways that the recording itself influences our perception of a player we've never heard live, especially if we've only got one recording to go on...)
Kanstul have closed down sadly. BAC bought some assets from both Kanstul and the estate of John Duda (who made the later Callichios) so if anyone could build something comparable to a new 1502 I guess it would be them.
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12664 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Subtropical and Subpar wrote: | It's rather remarkable; they made over a dozen quite distinct trumpets, along with several cornets and what a lot of people thought was the definitive flugelhorn. I'd love to get my hands on a 1500 someday. |
Kanstul also provided what we called in the computer business contract manufacturing. They produced horns specified by other companies that were then sold under that company’s name.
While Flip enhanced the horns after receiving them from Kanstul before selling, Kanstul made the to Flip’s spec.
While Zachary would never confirm, I am convinced that Kanstul made the Zeus trumpets also. At one point Zachary had pictures of “his” manufacturers and some on here identified some of the workers being Kanstul employees. |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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While getting a tour at the Kanstul factory many years ago, I walked by a table with several trumpets sitting on it all in a row, and my tour guide (I forget her name) mentioned that these were Zeus trumpets waiting to be sent out.
That's confirmation enough for me. |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7012 Location: AZ
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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For what it's worth, the girl at Kanstul was most certainly Laura who ran the finalizing table and shipping. She was so good at her job! I really miss that staff. They were my friends.
The 1502 was a good playing trumpet, like all of Kanstul's instruments. It was designed to emulate the Callicchio 1S2 or 1S7, I don't remember which was which between the 1501 and 1502. It just played like a Kanstul trumpet, so it had a more free feeling to it.
Most of the Zeus horns were made by Kanstul, but I don''t think all of their models were. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2022 Posts: 261 Location: NY
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I placed an ad for a 1502 in the marketplace.
Fingers crossed 🤞🏻 |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ed Kennedy wrote: | Charlie Davis makes some Calicchio copies: 1S bell with choice of 2,3, or 7 leadpipe. You can get them from Reeves or Washington Music Center. |
Thanks. Will definitely keep it in mind if I can't find a Kanstul. |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1925 Location: WI
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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shofarguy wrote: | The 1502 was a good playing trumpet, like all of Kanstul's instruments. It was designed to emulate the Callicchio 1S2 or 1S7, I don't remember which was which between the 1501 and 1502. |
According to the Kanstul website (still accessible for historical purposes), the 1502 had a #2 mouthpipe and a #1S bell, so they must be talking about the Calicchio 1S2. (Within the features list for the 1502, they mention that it could be had with a #7 mouthpipe, in which case they would designate it as a 1501.) _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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stevericks Veteran Member
Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Posts: 114 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:08 am Post subject: |
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I have a Kanstul 1502 and it is a great horn. Years back I got into collecting and own or have owned the 1500, 1502, 1503, 1537, 991, Kanstul Chicago (probably the 1000) 1510 and flugel 1525. The 1502 is my “go to” horn when I’m playing a gig where the music is challenging to my level of playing or endurance is an issue. It is an easy playing horn that you don’t have to work to control (not demanding). By work to control I go back to my Olds brand days. Have a Super and a Recording. Recording is more difficult to control and demanding of the player.. I have read several articles that say the 1502 “grabs the mic” in recording studios so apparently there is something about it that makes it a top horn for recording sessions. _________________ Steve
Olds, Kanstul, Bach |
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Gcsnyde007 New Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2022 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:54 am Post subject: Zeus Olympus Trumpets - Opinions? |
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Any thoughts about these horns? I have one that I’m trying to sell. _________________ Gary Snyder |
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stevericks Veteran Member
Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Posts: 114 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Zeus Olympus Trumpets - Opinions? |
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Gcsnyde007 wrote: | Any thoughts about these horns? I have one that I’m trying to sell. |
I would think the horn would be a quick sale% see my other post in this discussion about it. It is a wonderful horn. I have sold off 5-6 pro horns. This is the one I am keeping. The only problem you may run into is Kanstul is not well known - at least here in the South. If you have a specific question about the horn, I’ll be glad to try and answer it. _________________ Steve
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Zeus Olympus Trumpets - Opinions? |
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stevericks wrote: | Gcsnyde007 wrote: | Any thoughts about these horns? I have one that I’m trying to sell. |
I would think the horn would be a quick sale% see my other post in this discussion about it. It is a wonderful horn. I have sold off 5-6 pro horns. This is the one I am keeping. The only problem you may run into is Kanstul is not well known - at least here in the South. If you have a specific question about the horn, I’ll be glad to try and answer it. |
stevericks, I think Gcsnyde007 is asking about Zeus Olympus trumpets, not the Kanstul 1502 (look at the Post subject he inserted).
Gcsnyde007, although a few posters here refer to the Zeus Olympus in passing as an example of Kanstul's contract manufacturing business, this thread is focused on the Kanstul 1502; it would make more sense for you to start an entirely new thread if you want to discuss the Zeus Olympus. (Actually, you might first want to try searching the Forum for previous threads about the Zeus Olympus.) _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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