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rasko
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 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:42 am Post subject: Is my Bach mp original? |
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| Hello everyone, I recently bought a Bach 351 3C. Inside of the mouthpiece is not as shiny compared to the 7C, and the engraving has some minor irregularities. I feel like I still need a stronger proof, so I wonder if the saw like structure at the very end of the shank, where it is cut is a standard for all classic Bach mps? |
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huntman10
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Sounds pretty much like a knock off. Where did you get it? Lotsa sketchy stuff on eBay and online sellers.
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Andy Cooper
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Lots of Bach mouthpieces, over the years, had the "saw like" pattern on the end of the shank. I notice it more with cornet mouthpieces. It's probably a real Bach - the new person just buffed the rim and outside and ignored the cup.
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rasko
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| I bought from a local dealer, opened it elsewhere, the moment I looked inside the cup I could tell that it is not the same material as my 7C. Compared it to Yamaha, Bach and King trombone/trumpet mouthpieces, inside of the cup is not shiny as the rest of them. Still sounds a bit like my personal oppinion. I thnik the shank ornament could be a solid argument. |
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abontrumpet
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Andy Cooper wrote: | | Lots of Bach mouthpieces, over the years, had the "saw like" pattern on the end of the shank. I notice it more with cornet mouthpieces. |
For a while I didn't see Bach mouthpieces without the "saw like" pattern at the end. I was always annoyed by it.
I don't know what a 351 3C is but bach mouthpieces were fairly irregular from piece to piece. I didn't have 2 that played or felt the same. |
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Tpt_Guy
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The engraving has some minor irregularities? Can you describe them?
And the inside of the cup?
Some years ago, I bought a 7E from a respected shop on the West Coast and the inside of the cup appeared to have a sort of frosty appearance. But, it was an actual Bach mouthpiece that the shop owner purchased straight from Selmer. I asked him if it would cause a problem. He said it wouldn't, and it didn't.
I think we would need to see or at least get more detailed descriptions before we could really determine. Otherwise, it just seems like manufacturing inconsistencies.
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JeffM729
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| There are loads of inexpensive, new “Bach” trumpet mouthpieces on eBay made and sent from China. However, I don’t believe that Bach makes mouthpieces in China. Not sure how one would tell if it apart from the US made models. |
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rasko
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| Quote: | | I don't know what a 351 3C is but bach mouthpieces were fairly irregular from piece to piece. I didn't have 2 that played or felt the same. |
351 is the code fot their classic mouthpieces. |
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rasko
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| Quote: | | The engraving has some minor irregularities? Can you describe them? |
The letters have irregular scratches inside and the countours are not straight, which make them look shiny compared to simple appearance of the engraving on my 7C of the same series. Also, a closer look reveals that the scraping created bumps on the coating at the side of letters. |
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Crazy Finn
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Impossible to say without more than word descriptions.
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