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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2662 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:55 am Post subject: |
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chrisroyal wrote: |
for the Thein instrument, is that the same as the current E/Eb/D? They also have a 3 valve, but I'm told the 4th valve adds some sonic weight. |
Yes, but it’s the piston valve instrument, E, Eb, D, C…
Amazing instrument. _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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O00Joe Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 364 Location: Houston & Austin, Texas
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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It was years ago but in university I had access to a Stomvi Elite Eb/D and a custom converted Bach
Stomvi Elite Eb/D
Very easy to play, nimble, somewhat of a lighter sound, few intonation issues but are easily compensated for, perfect amount of resistance, highly recommended
Converted Bach (not sure of specifics but it was older and a popular conversion)
A relatively heavy feel, quite a few bad intonation issues, took a lot of time to get used to, many pitches were hard to center, a lot of resistance, I avoided it if possible
If i ever get around to buying an Eb/D I'll be going for a Stomvi Elite or a Shire 6MS8 (simply because I'm a Shires fanboy) _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
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dershem Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 1887 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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B&S Challenger II Eb/D.
Got it a couple of years ago, new.
I was/am astonished at how nicely it plays.
My old Eb was an old Holton, which was... functional. Worked for chamber orchestras and the like. Got the B&S In, and pulled out the Holton for comparison. The Holton played ... like a middle of the road Bach. Adequate, but no more. Warmed up on that just to get the feel and sound firmly in my head. Then put the same mouthpiece in the B&S and it was like night and day. Effortless play, great valves, rich sound. I've played a couple of Schilkes and Yamahas and they were good (Better than the Holton), but I like the Challenger a LOT.
YMMV _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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chrisroyal Regular Member
Joined: 08 Jun 2015 Posts: 25 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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I just received the Thein rotary E/Eb/D (4 valve) in silver. I had some initial reluctance in purchasing without ever playing one; but trusted their reputation...
So,
This is absolutely the best E/Eb/D I have ever played! Maybe the best trumpet as well. Incredibly well crafted. Very rich sound and even character, even when using the 4th valve. Upper register speaks very easily and pitch is spot on (alternate fingerings for Eb and E top staff are actually noticeably sharp and "normal" fingerings are spot on. G above the staff is not sharp at all. It does not play like a smaller (than Bb or C) chamber instrument. Imagine a realistic substitute for Bb and C when needed in terms of timbre and range (because of the 4th valve).
It has a pitch finder trigger and has a heavy bell. The instrument itself is heavy- as in substantial, not just heavy valve caps or rings.
I got it with their recommended Thein 1.5CF mouthpiece. I tried using Breslmair rotary pieces and it sounded very good but darker. Using the Thein mouthpiece (which is more bowl sharped) makes it ring the best. Highly, highly recommended. _________________ Bach Bb and C trumpets
Schilke Bb, C, Eb, E, F , G and Picc
Schilke Bb, C, Eb cornets
Schagerl Bb, C and Picc rotors
Yamaha and Schilke Flugels |
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dstpt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 1283
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:52 am Post subject: |
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chrisroyal wrote: | I just received the Thein rotary E/Eb/D (4 valve) in silver. I had some initial reluctance in purchasing without ever playing one; but trusted their reputation...
So,
This is absolutely the best E/Eb/D I have ever played! Maybe the best trumpet as well. Incredibly well crafted. Very rich sound and even character, even when using the 4th valve. Upper register speaks very easily and pitch is spot on (alternate fingerings for Eb and E top staff are actually noticeably sharp and "normal" fingerings are spot on. G above the staff is not sharp at all. It does not play like a smaller (than Bb or C) chamber instrument. Imagine a realistic substitute for Bb and C when needed in terms of timbre and range (because of the 4th valve).
It has a pitch finder trigger and has a heavy bell. The instrument itself is heavy- as in substantial, not just heavy valve caps or rings.
I got it with their recommended Thein 1.5CF mouthpiece. I tried using Breslmair rotary pieces and it sounded very good but darker. Using the Thein mouthpiece (which is more bowl sharped) makes it ring the best. Highly, highly recommended. |
Kudos! I played one of these at TMEA in Feb. 2020 and was equally impressed. I did find that the 23 fingering combination was sharper than normal (low Eb = concert Gb in staff). Of course with all of the Thein triggers, particularly PF, you always have the option to "trigger" any note down. The horn also was noticeably small in the hands (when you're accustomed to playing, say, a Bach Eb/D with the long 239 bell). Not saying that was negative, just that in some ways it felt closer to my Schilke 4-valve G tpt in overall size, even though I know they are substantially different. Enjoy! Many envious readers here! |
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2893 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps a bit left field but the easiest one I have played is a Yamaha 6610S. Someone brought it for me to check out to make sure it was working OK. Either I was having a very good day, or it was really easy to play.
Of instruments I have owned, the Schilke E3L-4 was the best. I think the extra weight of the fourth valve made it sound more robust than the three valve version. You would probably need to order a smaller bell though. I had the D bell and slides also. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
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jimspeedjae Veteran Member
Joined: 05 Apr 2013 Posts: 165
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:54 am Post subject: |
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A shout-out to a couple of Ebs that I have right now.
Firstly, a Selmer Radial, probably 70s-ish. I've owned three of these over the years and always regretted getting rid of them. Light sound, plays great and in tune. They are really great little trumpets.
For whatever reason, I also have a Voight leadpipe and tuning slide, which are the same bore and fit for this trumpet (I have a Voight bell, too, shame I don't have the valve block! It's the trumpet that was sometimes sold as the John Wallace 4 valve Eb). I haven't permanently mounted the leadpipe yet, but I might - it does open the horn up a little. Or I might send all the bits back to Voight to finish off.
The other, more recent acquisition is a Melk Bach Eb/D conversion with the 239L bell in Eb (229 for D) and an MLV525 leadpipe. That is an excellent trumpet - far bigger sound than you would expect for an Eb (but maybe not with that bell), and it plays like a bigger trumpet too. Described as a "dandy" in a post by fleming earlier in this thread...I concur!
Great to have choices!
In the past, I've had Shilkes - E2D, E3L, E3L4, those tiny old English Besson Imperial/ New Standards, Stomvi Elites, Yamahas - 6610, 9635. I like swapping too much for my own good.
Interested in the Adams, Carol and Shires...but I think that Thein might be on the list for ordering at some point now. |
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LaTrompeta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 May 2015 Posts: 867 Location: West Side, USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Yep. Thein is, without a doubt, the most underrated make out there. It's amazing that it *only* costs what it does, even thought it's not "cheap" by any standard. _________________ Please join me as well at:
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trumpetchops Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 2644
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Eb Trumpet Thread |
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Theshinytrumpet wrote: | Hi Folks,
Thank you to everyone for the positive early response. I hope that this becomes a very educational forum for those looking to add an Eb to their collection
I've spent too much time digging through this website on the hunt for good testimonies on Eb trumpets. They are in there, but I think it's time we organize our opinions to help those in the market for an Eb. As a member of this community for the past ten years, I have noticed that we have neglected a few topics that I think are valuable for those doing some research before investing in a new instrument.
If you own(or have owned) an Eb trumpet, please post the following information.
What is it? Brand, Model, Age, Configuration
How does it play? Intonation, tone qualities, quirks
Do you feel that it is a good value for money?
What else should someone in the market for an Eb know about this instrument? |
Monette
About 10 years old give or take
Looks just like a little B-Flat
Plays well, a little rough below low C
in tune as well as a B_Flat
Tone is better than others I played. More like a B-Flat sound
A bit too much money for how much I play it.
If you have the money, I would get it. If you're not using it a lot, maybe not.
Playing in tune without fighting or bending notes is a big thing for me and a huge plus with this trumpet. The one before the Monette was a Yamaha and almost impossible to play. _________________ Joe Spitzer
Monroe Ct. |
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