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Trumpetstud
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:17 pm    Post subject: Pushing too hard? Reply with quote

So, I got the CC Calisthenics for Brass book. I've been messing with 6 notes for a little while and started ex 2. I am freaking EXCITED!!! LOL I've never played above a High C that has always been it for me. Well, for sure I did the lip slur from D to E! Whoo hoo!!

So, the E is just barely squeaking out. I'm wondering if maybe i need to develop a little longer or just keep trying up to the E? Maybe i just need to stick with the C to D?

Hope all that makes sense, but man am I excited!!!


To Double High C and beyond!! oops! I mean to Infinity and beyond!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The C to D is about where my reliability in the high range ends for me and I have never had to play anything above high C since my comeback in 2016 and even then only 3 or 4 times the high C itself. I am 86 and playing an F above high C is nothing more than a "wish I could, but know I can't ". But in my younger years I could play that F and even a G now and then.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A strategy is to work 1 step at a time to achieve a higher 'playing range'. I don't see much advantage in striving for more than 1 squeaker at a time. Get the lowest squeak to become playable, and then proceed.

The book uses the terminology of 'play' the notes and not force, but also talks about 'play as high as you can go'.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, the E is just barely squeaking out. I'm wondering if maybe i need to develop a little longer or just keep trying up to the E? Maybe i just need to stick with the C to D?


As long as you are following the four rules you should be fine to go for it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Dayton said - if you carefully follow the 4 rules and listen to your body (i.e. not creating strain), you should play as long as there is any sound.

There is a lot of wisdom (and related information) in the Getting Started threads pinned in this sub-forum.

Also possibly helpful is "How to Solve the Seven Common Physical Problems!" (pages 52-54 in my copy of MCFB), as it the new experiences will be unmusical until you adjust and learn how to play up there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I studied with Carmine for several years. He always told me, and I heard him tell many other students whose lessons I witnessed, to always finish the interval that you were attempting, even if no sound came out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following the rules I would suggest working on the Interval 2nds. You may not get that exhilaration of gaining the next note but you will be training the mind and muscles how to go from one note to the next.

Then the 2nds should manifest by getting that E in the harmonics to become less squeakish!

Best of luck,
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