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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
I recall sitting in the lobby of Chicago’s Blackstone Hotel waiting for the door to the Jazz Showcase to be opened. Art Farmer walked by and he was buzzing as he walked. I decided then and there if it was good for him it would be good for me, too.

I wouldn't take that at face value. If I was heading for the stage and wanted to get the chops going vs. starting to play cold, i might grab the mouthpiece too. There's a long way from that to relying on a regular buzzing regime.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dstpt wrote:
It seems that the various sides to this argument are stated in this thread, already, but I'd like to know this:

Are there any readers who believe, or have heard taught, that the activity of mouthpiece buzzing is identical for them/others as actually playing the instrument? I'd be curious to know if things are that extreme somewhere.


For me, the answer is "of course not." It's not supposed to be identical. The only thing mouthpiece buzzing does, as I use it, is to adjust the position of the mouthpiece - placement, angle, etc. - on the lips so as to generate the most resonant sound when the lips buzz. This does translate to the trumpet. Think of it this way: If the buzz is resonant at its source, it will be resonant through the horn. Conversely, if the buzz is not well focussed at the mouthpiece, it will also not be focussed and resonant through the horn.

I know that some advocate, while others discourage, playing everything on the mouthpiece that will be played on the horn. I have not had success doing that and think it doesn't truly transfer over. I could be wrong, but I have no desire (or time) to find out.

On the other hand, I have found that skipping either the free buzz or mouthpiece buzz portion of my warmup gives me much less resonance, responsiveness, accuracy and endurance than when I carefully include them.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really like buzzing. as with the rest of trumpet playing you can't have excess enthusiasm, and a relatively short, ~5 minute, warmup is a good place to start. i warm up by matching keyboard tones on ultra low notes and working my way up the register. without much effort and only by daily repetition i gain half steps in pitch higher.
props to john daniel and the many happy buzzing advocates. the most off putting part of buzzing discussions are soviet style authoritarian deniers. it's something you can try to see if it works for you. it either will or it won't and you may either try it or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what can you say about devices for buzzing
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QtgB6v97-no
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maksimgopanchuk wrote:
what can you say about devices for buzzing
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QtgB6v97-no

If nothing else they provide an opportunity to contribute to someone else's college fund/vacation/retirement.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

while on the subject of alternate buzzing schemes. isn't there a practice where you buzz through the leadpipe,,, mouthpiece, leadpipe, tuning slide removed. any efficacy to this?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chuck in ny wrote:
while on the subject of alternate buzzing schemes. isn't there a practice where you buzz through the leadpipe,,, mouthpiece, leadpipe, tuning slide removed. any efficacy to this?

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I don't believe there is value in trying to 'make a buzz' INTO that configuration - what does have value is controlled blowing into the mouthpiece to use the mpc and leadpipe as a playable instrument. With that method a person can learn the basic idea of how embouchure / lips / aperture / air flow work together to ACTIVATE the sounding of real notes.
reference this good video about the process and results -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxTb2gEaTU4
and also here for someone who found the video helpful -
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1671237#1671237
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chuck in ny wrote:
while on the subject of alternate buzzing schemes. isn't there a practice where you buzz through the leadpipe,,, mouthpiece, leadpipe, tuning slide removed. any efficacy to this?


The way that sentence is worded/punctuated, I'm not sure what you mean. The way I read that, one plays into their mouthpiece which is connected to the leadpipe and there is no tuning slide connected to anything. If so, that's what orthodox leadpipe buzzing is.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience mouthpiece buzzing provides almost nothing of value. Mouthpiece + leadpipe (remove the tuning slide) buzzing seems to have some value. Familiarizes yourself with slotting (albeit not the same "slots" as the complete trumpet).

Regardless, I do neither.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know tremendous players on both sides of this argument.

One camp says “Why not just practice the trumpet since that’s what you’ll be performing on? Unless your recital will include a mouthpiece concerto, there’s no point on practicing just on the mouthpiece.


The other camp swears by it and says that it makes a world of difference.

I mouthpiece buzz for 2-3 minutes daily as a warm-up based on Andrea Giuffredi’s “Play with me” videos on YouTube. There he does a couple videos where he warms up just on the mpc alone. I have found them to be very beneficial. I do these 2-3 minutes of buzzing before I start the Cichowicz flow studies.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it helpful

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it works for you, buzz. If not, don't. That simple.

People love their arguments & endless postulations.

If buzzing helps, do; if not, don't. For the love of god don't worry too much about the minutiae. Just apply some common sense to what you do and keep an open mind and you'll be fine. What doesn't work now may later, and the reverse is also true.

EG: I do a lot of Stamp. It works great for me, but I don't do any buzzing. I tried it off and on over the years. Beyond 20-30s it is detrimental to me. I have friends/colleagues who sound incredible and buzzing is fundamental to their routine...

Also, a seasoned teacher/mentor is worth their weight in gold.

Good luck,
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