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chef8489
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My vote would be for the King of course.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYTrumpet2018 wrote:
... I am going to 'pull the trigger' on one of these two: 1) a 1960's Silver Flair, or 2) a 1970's Severinsen Eterna. ...

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Have you tried the Eterna - I didn't see you mentioning it before in this thread.

I've had my HNW King Super 20 since 60's and never had reason to look for something 'better'.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="JayKosta"]
NYTrumpet2018 wrote:
... I am going to 'pull the trigger' on one of these two: 1) a 1960's Silver Flair, or 2) a 1970's Severinsen Eterna. ...

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Have you tried the Eterna - I didn't see you mentioning it before in this thread.


Hello, Yes I have tried both and enjoyed both though I did feel the King had just a little bit more of an 'open blow'. I am leaning toward the King, The King is 1450 and the Getzen is 1250.... are these reasonable prices? I could not find anything lower anyhow.
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ArtandSons
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not too familiar with Getzen prices but $1450 seems a bit high for the King..unless its in great condition. I paid $750 in 2016 for mine and I made what I think was a good deal..I expected to pay between $800 and $1000 then.
But if you compare $1450 to the price a new horn in the same quality range its a good deal for a truly great horn...but I think the condition is the key on any used horn. For me, the important thing was no dents, structural damage, the silver plating and red rot.
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chef8489
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArtandSons wrote:
not too familiar with Getzen prices but $1450 seems a bit high for the King..unless its in great condition. I paid $750 in 2016 for mine and I made what I think was a good deal..I expected to pay between $800 and $1000 then.
But if you compare $1450 to the price a new horn in the same quality range its a good deal for a truly great horn...but I think the condition is the key on any used horn. For me, the important thing was no dents, structural damage, the silver plating and red rot.


I'm thinking he is getting the horn from H.N white and from the description it's in pretty great condition. Bout 98% original new condition. It's a 1965 horn. Only thing I see wrong with it is some slight wear on the engraving and the case latches don't work. No dings or dents or scratches or wear on original silver lacquer.
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ArtandSons
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to know what more you could get for $1450 - I have to stay away from that site - what a candy store
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King_Conng
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 on the Silver Flair.
I started playing music (brass at least) on HN White instruments and have gone through all of their offerings/models (including later an old pristine restored Cleveland Superior to represent my long-gone very first horn). Albiet ammassing a sizable collection in order to obtain each HN White/King model and variation, the Silver Flair ranks at the top along with my King Symphony DB and King Liberty 2. I can't comment on the Gezten, but when comparing the Silver Flair to a Yamaha 739T (another Large-bore pro horn with 1st valve slide trigger, a copy of the Schilke B3 large bore) a friend used, the Silver Flair was still more responsive and didn't want to "suck out my lungs" when blowing into it like with the Yamaha lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/560810902744158/?mibextid=6ojiHh

Silver Flair for sale on Facebook
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chef8489
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/560810902744158/?mibextid=6ojiHh

Silver Flair for sale on Facebook

That would be a later model than the op is looking at and a 2055t model. Though they are good, they sound much different and were competitors to the bach 37 and geared more towards orchestra playing and a much heavier horn than the 1055t. The 1055t has a single brace and an adjustable 3rd slide ring.
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