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Venturi
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:18 pm    Post subject: GOOD mpc for the Yamaha YFH-631G flugelhorn Reply with quote

What mouthpieces have you found that give you a nice dark and rich flugel sound on the Yamaha 631? And hopefully don't give you extra issues with intonation, of course!

I'm interested in actual experience with specific mpc models that do a nice job for you. Please mention as many as you wish.

The current version of the Yamaha 631 flugelhorn (YFH-631G) has a gold brass bell - the earlier version had a rose brass bell. I'm especially interested in suggestions for the current gold brass version - asking for a student with a new horn.

Your findings would be much appreciated
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha 14F4 works well as does Yamaha Custom 14F4-GP.

Denis Wick's 5884 series can work if you are able to avoid tubbiness in sound.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would depend on your preference for inner diameter.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curry FL
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a ACB 3CFX and 3C - something. Great sounding pieces.

I have a Yamaha 14F4 and it is decent, but I kind of felt meh about flugel until I popped in the ACB piece.

I'm sure there are other great ones. I don't mind Yamaha pieces overall, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha mouthpieces are not immune from manufacturing tolerance issues. I have got two Yamaha Bobby Shew flugelhorn mouthpieces that have quite different thicknesses of the shank walls at their narrow ends: one is almost 2x as thick as the other. Among these two, the thin-walled mouthpiece plays much better.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RussellDDixon wrote:
That would depend on your preference for inner diameter.


Yes indeed - I'm presuming that one will "transpose" to one's own preferred ID.
People's experiences with specific mpc's are really helpful!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

etc-etc wrote:
Yamaha mouthpieces are not immune from manufacturing tolerance issues. I have got two Yamaha Bobby Shew flugelhorn mouthpieces that have quite different thicknesses of the shank walls at their narrow ends: one is almost 2x as thick as the other. Among these two, the thin-walled mouthpiece plays much better.


With different Flugelhorn manufactures using three or four different mouthpiece tapers, Standard, French, Bach, and sometimes Trumpet, I wonder if your Bobby Shew pieces might have different tapers? I don't know if a taper is marked or stamped on a mouthpiece?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played the 631G for decades using the Yamaha 14F4 flugel mpc. Worked perfectly.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plankowner110 wrote:
I played the 631G for decades using the Yamaha 14F4 flugel mpc. Worked perfectly.


The 14F4 is a very good mouthpiece for jazz playing. Not so much if you want a trombone sound.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha Pierre Dutot

Dark, yet clear sound. Very agile. Not wolly or fluffy.
Maybe not perfect for that "smokey" sound, but cool for about everything else.
Quite large inner diameter and narrow rim, but works a treat for me.
Best intonation I could hope for.

(Full disclocure, I play on an old 731, yellow brass, silver plated, but I'd be surprised if it didn't work on a 631 as well.)

https://www.thomann.de/de/yamaha_mouthpiece_pierre_dutot.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha Pierre Dutot makes a very nice sound, although I personally find the thinness of the "relative depth" of the rim to be almost flimsy. I'm sure there's a better term for it but I just looked at a dozen mouthpiece diagrams on Google and none of them label this particular part / dimension (basically, the part of the rim that extend downwards to the throat/backbore/bottom of the mouthpiece). Yamaha Bobby Shew is awesome but the inner diameter is a little small for me and it isn't as dark as the Dutot. At the moment I use Curry FL-M and FL-D mouthpieces in their 1 diameter, which were their "extra-shallow" and "extra-deep" flugel mouthpieces. I understand both were replaced by the FL-J and FL mouthpieces. So basically I'm of no help at all, now that I think of it
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leatherlip wrote:
etc-etc wrote:
Yamaha mouthpieces are not immune from manufacturing tolerance issues. I have got two Yamaha Bobby Shew flugelhorn mouthpieces that have quite different thicknesses of the shank walls at their narrow ends: one is almost 2x as thick as the other. Among these two, the thin-walled mouthpiece plays much better.


With different Flugelhorn manufactures using three or four different mouthpiece tapers, Standard, French, Bach, and sometimes Trumpet, I wonder if your Bobby Shew pieces might have different tapers? I don't know if a taper is marked or stamped on a mouthpiece?


The stamps on the mouthpieces are identical. From the diameter, shank length and angle measurement, the taper is large Morse. Both mouthpieces sit well in the receiver of a Yamaha flugel. The inner bore is different at the tail end which explains the difference in the wall thickness.

One could try to use cylindrical pins to measure and compare the inner bore and the throat.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak specifically to that Yamaha, but I have been happy with the sound I get on Curry FL on both of my Flugels (Bach and Adams).

As stated, Curry Flugel mouthpieces can be purchased as FLJ (for more projection) FL (all around) and FLD (deeper cup for darker sound) - more specific descriptions can be found on his website.

They can be bought with the more traditional "bach-ish" rim or "600 series" rim in a variety of inner diameters.

Another advantage to new Curry Flugel mouthpieces is that they can be bought with a "universal taper" that can be used on Large or Small morse taper horns, so you don't need a different mouthpiece if you play different brand Flugels.

In my experience, Mark Curry has been super helpful with any questions and great to deal with.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your playing doesn't require any extreme high register playing (i.e. the D in Feels So Good for example), then I highly recommend the Patrick Flugel mouthpieces. I discovered them at a Chicago area trumpet hang several years ago and they are the most comfortable I've ever played. I play the 3. Good luck in your quest!
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