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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:34 am Post subject: Warburton 4M |
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I usually play a Bach 3c. On the advice of a friend I'm trying again a Warburton 4M. Can someone give me his impressions and with what backbore you use it. |
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delano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 5:02 am Post subject: |
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I used the Warburton 4M cup for quite some time. The cup is soundswise close to the Yamaha 14B4 mouthpiece. The rim is a little bit thin, I didn't care but I know others did.
For me it played well with good balance with a 5 bb. Never liked any bb of the star series. |
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 949
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I had many of the Warburton 4 mouthpieces once but only kept the 4M. I use it occasionally, with a 5* or 7 backbore on Bb trumpet. Maybe an 8 or 9 backbore if I am using it with a piccolo. I usually switch to the Schilke 11Ax for picc but have used the 4M when swapping quickly between Bb and picc.
I got a Marcinkiewicz E3/3C that seems similar to the 4M (to me) and I like it a tad better as a shallower 3C-type mouthpiece for Bb.
These days I play mostly on the Curry 3C and 3BC (no dot). Sometimes a Curry 3M but when I go shallower than a 3C I find that I like a little smaller diameter, too, like a 4M or E3/3C. |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 Posts: 2149 Location: Little Elm, TX
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:46 am Post subject: |
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I've used a 4M with a 7* backbore since 1997. It's a great all-around set-up and a good alternative to a Bach 3C. I use it mostly on my Bach Bb trumpet for classical applications but have used it for jazz as well. The various backbores available give a lot of options for different sounds. I've also used the 4M top on on my piccolo (with a short-shank trumpet backbore) and it works well.
If you look it up on the Kanstul mouthpiece comparator (I think it's still out there somewhere on the web) the dimensions are very similar to a Bach 3C but with a slightly flatter rim (which for me is more comfortable). _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1979 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
Eastlake Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
Warburton and Stomvi Flex mouthpieces |
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BudBix Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 519 Location: United States
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:55 am Post subject: |
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I've played a Warburton 4M for years as my main piece. Since 2015 or so. Either a 6 or Q backbore. Great all around mouthpiece with the 6 backbore. |
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 1529 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:18 am Post subject: Warburton 4M |
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Hello all,
I use the KT* backbore when I pull out my 4M. Next bb's are my 5 or 6*. I have found that even those are more open than my standard Schilke pieces, as the C bb seems to be more similar to a Warburton 4. I also use a Schilke 14 and Symphony M3C for Bb and C trumpet playing. _________________ Christian K. Peters
Schilke Loyalist since 1976 |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1804 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Sort of depends on the sound you want and how much resistance. The 4M is shallower than the 3C so it's a little brighter. A Warburton 7 backbore will brighten the sound even more while the 6 backbore, in my opinion is much darker and a little more restrictive.
If you want to keep similar resistance you will probably find something within the KT,KT* 6,6*,7,7* range of backbores. Working with backbores (and throat sizes) can be a little tricky and counter intuitive since too open a setup can feel "stuffy" after playing awhile. |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2022 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Played a 5M for a while. Worked best with a 5 or a NY backbore. The KT* felt too tight but. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Klier, Curry |
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AndyDavids Veteran Member
Joined: 08 Jun 2020 Posts: 176
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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BudBix wrote: | Either a 6 or Q backbore. | +1...I lilke to use these setups for legit and commercial also |
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 649 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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About 25+ years 5M with 7 bb for my Getzen LB 900, 6 bb for my Getzen ml bore.
Great mouthpieces, nice sound, very comforabel feel
I recomment Warburton mouthpieces for being very consitent in size and feel + great opportunities to finetune horn/backbore combinations _________________ Technology alone is a poor substitute for experience. (Richard Sachs) |
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dmh737 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 769 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that the rim is a tad thin. And the high point is way too far to the inside for my liking. But I love the cup. I used it with a 5 BB. Great lead piece with a full sound. _________________ Trumpet - LA Benge 3X+
Mouthpiece - Legends L-MF III
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BudBix Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 519 Location: United States
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Interesting. I have the post fire version. The rim feels flat not too thin. But the high point does feel close to the inside of the rim. |
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