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annvill
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:34 am    Post subject: Warburton 4M Reply with quote

I usually play a Bach 3c. On the advice of a friend I'm trying again a Warburton 4M. Can someone give me his impressions and with what backbore you use it.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used the Warburton 4M cup for quite some time. The cup is soundswise close to the Yamaha 14B4 mouthpiece. The rim is a little bit thin, I didn't care but I know others did.
For me it played well with good balance with a 5 bb. Never liked any bb of the star series.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had many of the Warburton 4 mouthpieces once but only kept the 4M. I use it occasionally, with a 5* or 7 backbore on Bb trumpet. Maybe an 8 or 9 backbore if I am using it with a piccolo. I usually switch to the Schilke 11Ax for picc but have used the 4M when swapping quickly between Bb and picc.

I got a Marcinkiewicz E3/3C that seems similar to the 4M (to me) and I like it a tad better as a shallower 3C-type mouthpiece for Bb.

These days I play mostly on the Curry 3C and 3BC (no dot). Sometimes a Curry 3M but when I go shallower than a 3C I find that I like a little smaller diameter, too, like a 4M or E3/3C.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used a 4M with a 7* backbore since 1997. It's a great all-around set-up and a good alternative to a Bach 3C. I use it mostly on my Bach Bb trumpet for classical applications but have used it for jazz as well. The various backbores available give a lot of options for different sounds. I've also used the 4M top on on my piccolo (with a short-shank trumpet backbore) and it works well.

If you look it up on the Kanstul mouthpiece comparator (I think it's still out there somewhere on the web) the dimensions are very similar to a Bach 3C but with a slightly flatter rim (which for me is more comfortable).
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've played a Warburton 4M for years as my main piece. Since 2015 or so. Either a 6 or Q backbore. Great all around mouthpiece with the 6 backbore.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:18 am    Post subject: Warburton 4M Reply with quote

Hello all,
I use the KT* backbore when I pull out my 4M. Next bb's are my 5 or 6*. I have found that even those are more open than my standard Schilke pieces, as the C bb seems to be more similar to a Warburton 4. I also use a Schilke 14 and Symphony M3C for Bb and C trumpet playing.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sort of depends on the sound you want and how much resistance. The 4M is shallower than the 3C so it's a little brighter. A Warburton 7 backbore will brighten the sound even more while the 6 backbore, in my opinion is much darker and a little more restrictive.

If you want to keep similar resistance you will probably find something within the KT,KT* 6,6*,7,7* range of backbores. Working with backbores (and throat sizes) can be a little tricky and counter intuitive since too open a setup can feel "stuffy" after playing awhile.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Played a 5M for a while. Worked best with a 5 or a NY backbore. The KT* felt too tight but.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BudBix wrote:
Either a 6 or Q backbore.
+1...I lilke to use these setups for legit and commercial also
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About 25+ years 5M with 7 bb for my Getzen LB 900, 6 bb for my Getzen ml bore.

Great mouthpieces, nice sound, very comforabel feel

I recomment Warburton mouthpieces for being very consitent in size and feel + great opportunities to finetune horn/backbore combinations
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the rim is a tad thin. And the high point is way too far to the inside for my liking. But I love the cup. I used it with a 5 BB. Great lead piece with a full sound.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. I have the post fire version. The rim feels flat not too thin. But the high point does feel close to the inside of the rim.
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