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Halflip
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shifty wrote:
I have a Bach 6 and 6C as well as a Curry 6TFD, 6TC and 6TF. I can't find those combinations on any of the comparators but, visually, it looks to me like Curry standardized on the Bach straight 6 instead of the 6C. All my Curry pieces seem very flat, ala Bach 6.

I wonder if Mark would be willing to chime in?

I actually reached out to Mark at one time about this, and he told me that his 6 rim is based upon a Mount Vernon 6C. When I use the "unofficial" mouthpiece comparator, I see that the Bach MV 6C rim is in fact a little flatter than that of the modern 6C (and almost as flat as a modern straight 6).
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halflip wrote:
I actually reached out to Mark at one time about this, and he told me that his 6 rim is based upon a Mount Vernon 6C. When I use the "unofficial" mouthpiece comparator, I see that the Bach MV 6C rim is in fact a little flatter than that of the modern 6C (and almost as flat as a modern straight 6).


Strange... Mark told me very recently all his 6 rims are based on the MTV Bach 6 (No letter). I have 3 and they are way flatter than my modern Bach 6C, 6B and 6BM. His are even slightly flatter than my modern Bach 6 (No letter).

Sadly, I love my modern Bach 6C rim/cup so Curry's 6's are too flat for me. I now have 3 shiny paperweights. Still on the hunt for a 'better' 6C, if anyone has any tips.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aj wrote:
Still on the hunt for a 'better' 6C, if anyone has any tips.

Try the Marcinkiewicz 6C. On their website, it's listed near the bottom of the "Endorsee" trumpet mouthpiece page (even though it has no actual "endorsee"):

https://www.marcinkiewicz.com/mouthpieces/trumpet/endorsee/

I ordered mine directly from Marcinkiewicz, and they told me that it is their take on an "improved" Bach 6C. It definitely has a rim contour that is very similar to the modern Bach 6C.

Mouthpiece Express lists it under the Marcinkiewicz "Standard" category rather than "Endorsee" (make sure you don't order the 6/10-1/2C; that is a very different animal).
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shifty wrote:
Halflip wrote:
Unlike Bach, where the same size mouthpiece will have different rim shapes for different depths, Curry has standardized on a single rim shape for each numbered size regardless of depth. For the size 6, Curry uses a version of the Bach Mount Vernon 6C rim shape (which agrees with Shifty's observation).


I have a Bach 6 and 6C as well as a Curry 6TFD, 6TC and 6TF. I can't find those combinations on any of the comparators but, visually, it looks to me like Curry standardized on the Bach straight 6 instead of the 6C. All my Curry pieces seem very flat, ala Bach 6.

I wonder if Mark would be willing to chime in?


Sorry for any confusion here-

The Curry 6 rim size is based on the Mount Vernon STRAIGHT 6 (no letter).

I felt the flatter contour and rim thickness better suited my various cups.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Curry wrote:
The Curry 6 rim size is based on the Mount Vernon STRAIGHT 6 (no letter).

Thanks for weighing in, Mark.

Clearly I misunderstood something here; I stand corrected.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, I have a couple of Bach Mt. vernon 6 cornet mouthpieces. They are very different from the corp. 6. Cornet or trumpet. The Mt. vernon has a much deeper cup, a flat wide rim and a sharp bite. Does your rim include the sharp bite, or is it rounded like the more modern 6?
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irving wrote:
Mark, I have a couple of Bach Mt. vernon 6 cornet mouthpieces. They are very different from the corp. 6. Cornet or trumpet. The Mt. vernon has a much deeper cup, a flat wide rim and a sharp bite. Does your rim include the sharp bite, or is it rounded like the more modern 6?


Irving-

I went with the more rounded bite on my 6 rim. Sharp bites IMO are overrated.

I just thought it might be a good idea to have a flatter rim available in the 5,6, and 7 diameters, that's all.

As far as the differences in the corp. rims, the Mount Vernon rims, the large-letter rims, etc. et al I haven't seem as many variations as on the Bach 6 and 8 diameters. And historically there have been more than a few "half-sizes" also in those diameters. Crazy trying to keep up sometimes...

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Curry wrote:


Sorry for any confusion here-

The Curry 6 rim size is based on the Mount Vernon STRAIGHT 6 (no letter).

I felt the flatter contour and rim thickness better suited my various cups.

mc


Thanks for clarifying Mark. I respect your expertise and how much those Bach pieces change. I have 2 x modern 6Cs (one is large letters), both have different shanks and therefore different gaps. One works on my Yamaha, the other on my Bach so I suspect thats the gap as both rims and cups feel the same.

Your 6 rims were too flat so I returned to my 7M and 7Z. Rim is rounder but not as cutting as modern Bach 7C and whilst it feels a tiny bit small for me that 7M is freakishly amazing. In fact, it works better on lead stuff than the 7Z in my case.

I suppose another option is to order a custom threaded rim.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aj wrote:
Your 6 rims were too flat so I returned to my 7M and 7Z. Rim is rounder but not as cutting as modern Bach 7C and whilst it feels a tiny bit small for me that 7M is freakishly amazing. In fact, it works better on lead stuff than the 7Z in my case.

I suppose another option is to order a custom threaded rim.

No interest in looking at the Marcinkiewicz 6C, hmm?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halflip wrote:
Aj wrote:
Your 6 rims were too flat so I returned to my 7M and 7Z. Rim is rounder but not as cutting as modern Bach 7C and whilst it feels a tiny bit small for me that 7M is freakishly amazing. In fact, it works better on lead stuff than the 7Z in my case.

I suppose another option is to order a custom threaded rim.

No interest in looking at the Marcinkiewicz 6C, hmm?


Yes, definitely. I looked them up straight away. Being 'Downunder' my mpc safari has so far cost in the $1000s. I'll need to move some equipment before buying one. I have posted my Curry 6's up for sale/swap. Do you have one going cheap?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aj wrote:
Yes, definitely. . . . Do you have one going cheap?

Glad to hear my suggestion helped. Unfortunately, I'm not interested in selling mine at the moment. You could post a "looking for" ad in the mouthpiece section of the TH Marketplace, though.
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