Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 119 Location: Troyes, France
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:08 am Post subject: Nicholas Payton not proctrastinating on a Bach Artisan
So Nicholas Payton is a Conn-Selmer artist as well is Sean Jones now.
Not really fresh news, but here he is killing it à la Morgan on an Artisan trumpet with Ravi Coltrane on sax. They blend so well together. The band is so on point (listen to the bass player solo).
Oh, and I just retired my 1980 43* with an Artisan, and for a comeback player (an easy 10 years on/off the mouthpiece) this makes me realise the player can sometime blame the horn. My old Bach was actually leaking air like crazy. Everything is soooo much easier with a well compressed horn. And the Artisan sounds and looks gorgeous. Very "Bach" indeed.
Wait, so he no longer plays his vintage bach? Didn't see him listed on the Conn site as artist either. Thanks for the link, as always he kills it!! _________________ Adams A1 Tpt.
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Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 119 Location: Troyes, France
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:27 am Post subject:
It may depends on the project. There’s a video of Payton with Monoeon which was posted a month ago where he plays his vintage Bach. The video could have have been taken earlier on in the year. The “Procrastinator” one is 3 months old.
Looks like he is playing on Lotus mouthpieces according to this Oliver.
I understand he'll be playing a Lotus as soon as they complete the build for him. It's 2nd hand info though so ... discount appropriately. _________________ LB Bel Canto #59
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Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 119 Location: Troyes, France
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:18 am Post subject:
Sincerely hope not. Not that I stand against Lotus, at all. Only they are very high end trumpets - e. g. very expensive - and I believe not all students, or pro or amateur players can reach to them. We all need role models, and Payton really can lead that pace. Bachs are wonderful instruments, available anywhere and have numerous options and prices accordingly. Not discussing here the ridiculous bump in prices we all can appreciate, but Bach is not culprit of following an overall tendency. In addition (other angle) : which manufacturer said “ we can all thanks Monette for the price they sell their trumpets for.” ?
Horns follow mouthpieces .... Nicholas Payton is a great artist and will gravitate to whatever gives him the purest representation of the sound he imagines. I'll be a fan of his whatever he's playing. I 'did' think with his history on a Bach AND with all of the new horns Bach is offering, he'd continue on that line. FWIW there are a LOT of players that are finding their way to Lotus. As expensive as they are, they're not nearly the price of some Monette offerings.
(which manufacturer said “ we can all thanks Monette for the price they sell their trumpets for.” ? Kanstul?) _________________ LB Bel Canto #59
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Frankenhorn projects 1-5
Adams F1
Olds Super Tenor Trombone
Alesis QS8
B2MS3, B2GS3,
Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 1799 Location: Toronto, Canada
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:49 am Post subject:
There are tons of great jazz players past and present who've played all kinds of other instruments, so it's not like there's a shortage of role models if Nicholas Payton decides he'd like to play something boutique rather than mainstream. Also, this is just me, but I don't really get all the anger about expensive trumpets. Even if it's a Lotus, a trumpet player with one in an orchestra would probably still be holding the cheapest instrument in the room, and that'd be true in many big bands as well. Trumpets are cheap compared to other instruments, but I don't see anyone complaining about bassoon or tuba prices. Personally, while most of my instruments are very common, ordinary brands (IE - Bach), I like the fact that there are other designs and ideas floating around out there, and I enjoy being able to try different things. (Even if I don't likely buy them or take them to work.) I wish we could collectively adopt a more positive attitude towards the burgeoning variety of different makers and styles of instruments available today.
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 119 Location: Troyes, France
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:33 am Post subject:
Steve A, Oliver,
You are both totally right.
But I was not arguing about or referring to these concepts.
Just speaking about endorsement.
And I stand still to this view I honestly shared.
No offence intended
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