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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug Elliott wrote:
That's generally good advice but you can get so used to fatigue that you don't recognize it.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, Doug. That was me in college. Over the years I've learned to trust my skills, make music, and have fun. How we practice is the key to improving vs. how much we practice.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never go more than 12 hours without playing
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Herseth - always practicing but he would take time off for vacations.
If he had a tough concert week, he would take it relatively easy in his practice sessions. If it was an easy week, he worked harder.

Doc Severinsen - constant practice. Very demanding of himself and it showed.
He could play for hours.

Wynton Marsalis - from a friend who was his lead trumpet, Wynton's warm ups were something to behold. He was another who always found time to practice.

I heard Itzhak Perlman remark that if he doesn't practice for one day, he knows it. If he doesn't practice for two days, his colleagues know it. It he doesn't practice for three days, the audience knows it.

These players are the best of the best.

If you are an amateur, it won't make much difference.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: play every day or take days off? Reply with quote

dave111 wrote:
hey everyone,

i'm wondering what people think is better - practice every day or take days off to rest up?

Thanks!


I can only speak for myself. I try very hard to practice every day. But I'm not a professional musician, and sometimes life interferes and I have to skip a day or two. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

The missed days don't usually hurt my embouchure. But daily practice is what I need to keep my fingers limber. So even on the days when I can't get a full hour's practice in, I try to play at least as much as I can.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lakejw wrote:
Really depends on your schedule, work load, and what your goals are.

For me, if I'm doing a lot of physically demanding lead & commercial playing, a day off is great for the chops, the body, and the mind. I'll take them when it's smart to do so, when the benefits outweigh the negatives. Someone who plays more as a chamber musician or soloist might feel differently.

For example, I just had quite a busy and physically tiring week of rehearsals/gigs, and not a lot of tough playing until this coming weekend. So, for today, the horn will stay in the case, or at most will do some very quiet response/flow exercises. But, if I had an important & demanding gig tomorrow, it would have to be more than that.

Life is for the living...ASSUMING you're taking care of business, just do what feels right and brings you joy. A day off is not going to derail anything major.


Very well said, John!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's generally good advice but you can get so used to fatigue that you don't recognize it.



Yep. Players are often mildly to chronically fatigued and they accept it as normal.

Just look at their approach of "warm-ups" and "daily routines" of: free buzzing, mp buzzing, lead pipe playing, endless lip flexibilities, long tones, and other exhaustive exercises, and that is all before they even begin playing rehearsal music or gig. ALL while using high effort techniques and inappropriate equipment.

There is NOTHING wrong with days off if it helps one heal but don't return to the same stuff that got you there.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practice as much as I can, but always adjusting that load to take into consideration what lays ahead and behind me. I don't need or want to practice every day, and frankly I play better without warming up for more than 10 minutes or so.

Days off as needed, but then always doing something with the fingers/chops/girlfriend. Not necessarily in that order.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kalijah wrote:
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That's generally good advice but you can get so used to fatigue that you don't recognize it.



Yep. Players are often mildly to chronically fatigued and they accept it as normal.

Just look at their approach of "warm-ups" and "daily routines" of: free buzzing, mp buzzing, lead pipe playing, endless lip flexibilities, long tones, and other exhaustive exercises, and that is all before they even begin playing rehearsal music or gig. ALL while using high effort techniques and inappropriate equipment.

There is NOTHING wrong with days off if it helps one heal but don't return to the same stuff that got you there.


Agreed 100%.

Regarding the comments about how the top elite pros never miss a day, those guys are on a completely different level than 97% of the rest of us. And I don’t believe for one millisecond that people who find they need a day of rest should then subjugated into the category of “amateurs, so it doesn’t matter.”

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have way too much experience with the fact that I and many of my students that were too ambitious and excited that we all forgot we are human beings. Our embouchures are not made of steel but are delicate membranes made of flesh and muscles much like the rest of your bodies. I've written a book addressing this phenomenon of over-doing things and how to manage our physical and mental needs versus our ambitious drives and excitement when we encounter moments of success that drives us to want to keep moving forwards towards our goals. We all have dreams of playing our instruments in some manner but we have to keep it within realistic parameters given our own personal situations depending our time, for the most part, family, jobs, financial and other considerations. In my experience, spending too much time trying too hard does not work, but finding out how to balance our physiology along with our time available and the proper equipment, if we have enough time available, to make gains, works much better to hopefully achieve our goal(s).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks everyone. i appreciate all the perspectives. i think maybe i just need more mouth pieces and mutes?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a very interesting topic for me, as I'm a comeback player in my early 60s, and I wonder what the best approach for me is.

In my 20s, I toured for 4 years with a funk band with a very demanding book. Three hours a night of hard playing. If we played 4 nights a week or less, my chops suffered; at the end of the gigs, my chops would be sore, and my consistency would suffer. Those times when we would play 28 days a month, my chops were iron, and I couldn't miss a note if I tried.

A few years later, I was on a cruise ship playing 7 days a week for two years. Several nights during the week were light playing, and I never felt as good in those two years as I did those months of hard playing in the funk band. And it didn't matter how much I practiced on the light days. It never seemed to be enough.

Now as a comeback player, my biggest concern is that I'll never play enough to have decent chops or consistency. But I miss the horn too much to not try.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weeeeve wrote:
This is a very interesting topic for me, as I'm a comeback player in my early 60s, and I wonder what the best approach for me is.

In my 20s, I toured for 4 years with a funk band with a very demanding book. Three hours a night of hard playing. If we played 4 nights a week or less, my chops suffered; at the end of the gigs, my chops would be sore, and my consistency would suffer. Those times when we would play 28 days a month, my chops were iron, and I couldn't miss a note if I tried.

A few years later, I was on a cruise ship playing 7 days a week for two years. Several nights during the week were light playing, and I never felt as good in those two years as I did those months of hard playing in the funk band. And it didn't matter how much I practiced on the light days. It never seemed to be enough.

Now as a comeback player, my biggest concern is that I'll never play enough to have decent chops or consistency. But I miss the horn too much to not try.

Sigh...

Steven


Nothing to do with the topic, but were you ever at North Texas in the late '80's/early '90's? I remember playing in the lab bands with a guy named Steve who owned a Firebird trumpet that had belonged to Don Ellis and who played with Dallas Brass and Electric. I think the last name was Laurent but it's been 30+ years and my brain ain't what it used to be.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... that sounds a lot like me.

Like you, my brain isn't what it used to be (not sure it ever was), but I think we were both in Mike Steinel's trumpet improv class?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Playing in multiple groups regularly with the necessary accompanying rehearsals demands consistent chops! The best way that I can manage this is by daily practice with the rare day away, mostly due to the occasional cold or medical side(mis)step.

My much younger wife is also a devoted trumpet player, often leading us to examine concepts foreign to our previous thinking. Therefore, we practice together every afternoon besides our individual face time, as a rule of thumb . We play and travel with several groups in common which is also how we met! Our backgrounds and approaches are quite different as well, bringing our minds together in ways that are unique to my experience. This established routine brings much joy to all aspects of our marriage.

Life IS Short! Finding true Joy IS often a joint effort!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weeeeve wrote:
Hmmm... that sounds a lot like me.

Like you, my brain isn't what it used to be (not sure it ever was), but I think we were both in Mike Steinel's trumpet improv class?

Steven

Yes! I remember it was the whole 4:00 lab band trumpet section. Good times!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TMBG answered this one for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTSBFb_GR4&t=44s
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