Fabulous Brandenberg!

tomba51 · Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:08 pm Post subject: Fabulous Brandenberg!

Here's a great performance of the Brandenberg 3rd movement by the Netherlands Bach Society, Neil Brough on natural trumpet. I have never heard the natural trumpet played with such a beautiful sound and spot-on intonation. I know, I know, I'm sure there are many other wonderful natural trumpet performances, but I just don't listen to too much of that style. I just remember that when natural instruments first came onto the scene, tone quality and intonation were an issue.

Incidentally, look how effortlessly Neil Brough plays. Not a hint of strain, even on the super high parts. All in all, just a wonderful performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-K41hc0RsI
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tomba51 · Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:58 am Post subject:

Duh, you're right, of course that's the 1st movement. And you're also right that it's weird about the violin soloist being out front. The Netherlands Bach Society posts lots of videos and he conducts and/or is soloist in many of them, so I guess that he is just accustomed to being out in front. But you're right, it's not appropriate for him to be doing it in a piece like this where all the soloists are supposed to be equal.
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Gabrieli · Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:11 am Post subject:

Yes, it is a nice performance but it is not performed on a natural trumpet.
The player is using a 20th century finger-hole trumpet, which is something else.
If you want to here the last movement on a real natural trumpet, listen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJ-xcblCMo

tomba51 · Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:21 am Post subject:

plunkett · Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:03 am Post subject:

@Gabrieli: the "finger hole" trumpet is actually called a baroque trumpet. MUCH easier to get the correct intonation across the spectrum! I've heard this on a nat - even more impressive!

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loudog · Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:07 pm Post subject:

Can we PLEASE stop squabbling over the "natural" vs "baroque" trumpet thing with holes and without? Truth of the matter is, different parts of the world will call it different things. It's really not worth arguing about...let's focus on the music and not regional nomenclature.

Both performances are stellar.
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Brassnose · Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:54 pm Post subject:

To start another squabble

it is BrandenbUrg, not Brandenberg. Burg is castle, Berg is mountain. Brandenburg is a town and a state in eastern Germany, while Brandenberg is the name of a few (unrelated) villages, mostly across southern Germany and Austria. Sorry folks, now back on topic

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Brassnose · Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:55 am Post subject:

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LaTrompeta · Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 6:14 pm Post subject:

I could've sworn it was spelled: Brandenburgh.... you know, like that town in Scotland?

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trumpetera · Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:26 am Post subject:

Beautiful playing from all the players!

But- every time I hear this piece, I can't help thinking that the theory that the trumpet part is actually a horn part, meant to sound an octave lower, is correct...

I remember the East German horn virtuoso Peter Damm claiming this was a fact, and he gave som good reasons for it that I sadly no longer remember.

What I personally think is that the piece, beautiful as it is, leaves the trumpet "sticking out" of an otherwise typically Bach-fantastic orchestration...

Now, I'm running for cover!!
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cgaiii · Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:32 am Post subject:

Nice performance, but yes, it is not the historic trumpet without holes. It is a modern trumpet of sorts. Nomenclature of natural trumpet vs. baroque trumpet is not as important as the difference in how they are played and how historic they are. Playing with holes and playing without holes are different skills. Both are ways of creating wonderful, but different, music. The trumpet with holes is going to be more pleasing to the equal tempered ear. So I think the post pointing this out was correct in making a point. No need to argue about nomenclature.
The Netherlands Bach Society produces some wonderful music. Thanks for sharing.
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