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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:08 pm    Post subject: Fabulous Brandenberg! Reply with quote

Here's a great performance of the Brandenberg 3rd movement by the Netherlands Bach Society, Neil Brough on natural trumpet. I have never heard the natural trumpet played with such a beautiful sound and spot-on intonation. I know, I know, I'm sure there are many other wonderful natural trumpet performances, but I just don't listen to too much of that style. I just remember that when natural instruments first came onto the scene, tone quality and intonation were an issue.

Incidentally, look how effortlessly Neil Brough plays. Not a hint of strain, even on the super high parts. All in all, just a wonderful performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-K41hc0RsI
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Fabulous Brandenberg! Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duh, you're right, of course that's the 1st movement. And you're also right that it's weird about the violin soloist being out front. The Netherlands Bach Society posts lots of videos and he conducts and/or is soloist in many of them, so I guess that he is just accustomed to being out in front. But you're right, it's not appropriate for him to be doing it in a piece like this where all the soloists are supposed to be equal.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Fabulous Brandenberg! Reply with quote

dstpt wrote:
What is weird to me is how the Solo Violin is out front leading (and in a notably demonstrative manner...a little over the top, IMO...but maybe he "owns" the ensemble?!).

There are four solo insts. in the work: Tromba (Trumpet), Recorder (Flute), Shawm (Oboe), Violin. All are considered equal, and they are often positioned in a curved line, so that they are presented "equally."


tomba51 wrote:
But you're right, it's not appropriate for him to be doing it in a piece like this where all the soloists are supposed to be equal.


1. The Solo Violin is "out in front" of the other violins/continuo, NOT in front of the other soloists. The violin is never in the same frame as the recorder/flute/oboe

2. It appears to be a recording session (not a live performance) and space may have been limited/acoustical issues

3. They are all good musicians and probably discussed what was the best configuration for the recording/space

4. It is done without conductor (likely) so some physical communication with your fellow musicians is always nice
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is a nice performance but it is not performed on a natural trumpet.
The player is using a 20th century finger-hole trumpet, which is something else.
If you want to here the last movement on a real natural trumpet, listen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJ-xcblCMo
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gabrieli wrote:
Yes, it is a nice performance but it is not performed on a natural trumpet.
The player is using a 20th century finger-hole trumpet, which is something else.
If you want to here the last movement on a real natural trumpet, listen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJ-xcblCMo


Wow! What an amazing performance! Thanks for sharing. And it's all done one-handed without any help at all from finger holes, just the natural partials on the horn. It's amazing that he has such control over those partials which are so close together. Bravo!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Gabrieli: the "finger hole" trumpet is actually called a baroque trumpet. MUCH easier to get the correct intonation across the spectrum! I've heard this on a nat - even more impressive!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we PLEASE stop squabbling over the "natural" vs "baroque" trumpet thing with holes and without? Truth of the matter is, different parts of the world will call it different things. It's really not worth arguing about...let's focus on the music and not regional nomenclature.

Both performances are stellar.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To start another squabble it is BrandenbUrg, not Brandenberg. Burg is castle, Berg is mountain. Brandenburg is a town and a state in eastern Germany, while Brandenberg is the name of a few (unrelated) villages, mostly across southern Germany and Austria. Sorry folks, now back on topic
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brassnose wrote:
To start another squabble it is BrandenbUrg, not Brandenberg. Burg is castle, Berg is mountain. Brandenburg is a town and a state in eastern Germany, while Brandenberg is the name of a few (unrelated) villages, mostly across southern Germany and Austria. Sorry folks, now back on topic


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brassnose wrote:
To start another squabble it is BrandenbUrg, not Brandenberg. Burg is castle, Berg is mountain. Brandenburg is a town and a state in eastern Germany, while Brandenberg is the name of a few (unrelated) villages, mostly across southern Germany and Austria. Sorry folks, now back on topic


lol I stand corrected! 😁
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2024 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could've sworn it was spelled: Brandenburgh.... you know, like that town in Scotland?
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