Whats is the purpose of a Sheperds Crook?

[Dale Proctor]

Resurrection of a zombie post, but I'll add this in retrospect from today. I have a non-shepherd's crook 1960s Conn cornet that approaches the sound of a Besson Prestige when I use a Wick 4 in it. Just some anecdotal evidence that a cornet doesn't need a shepherd's crook bell to have "the sound". Speaking of "the sound", a significant part of it has to do with the player's style and technique, too. The old Conn 9A Victor is a wonderful instrument with a big sound, great intonation, and a fairly easy upper register.


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1977 Bach Stradivarius ML 43
1976 Bach Mercedes M+ 38
1982 Bach Stradivarius CML 239
1993 Bach Stradivarius. L 184G cornet
1960 Conn 6B Victor
1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
1890 F. Besson Nuevo Etoile A/Bb/C cornet
1875 H. Lehnert SARV Bb cornet

[kehaulani]

Just a musicological note, I think the mythology of early jazz being the domain of bawdy houses and tawdry beginnings does a real stereotyped disservice to early jazz musicians and shouldn't be overstated.

Early Jazz was certainly played in red-light districts, but music, including early Jazz was played all over the Lake Ponchartrain area and as wide as San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago and New Yprk City.

Early jazz was found in neighborhoods all over and around New Orleans - it was a normal part of community life.
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Yamaha French Horn

[JetJaguar]

On Marcinkiewicz's website it says of the Rembrandt:

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[Man Of Constant Sorrow]

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[kehaulani]

Both the Curry VC and DC are very good mouthpieces for this.
https://www.currympc.com/Cornet-Mouthpieces.html

(You do realise, though, that deep mouthpieces can be a challenge to play?)
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Yamaha French Horn

[Man Of Constant Sorrow]

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[Man Of Constant Sorrow]

BTW ~

Just to add to the conversation, regarding shepherd's crook horns ... I have a vintage Couesnon SHEPHERD'S CROOK TRUMPET.

I also have a vintage ("Handcraft era") MARTIN SHEPHERD'S CROOK FLUGELHORN. Is a DOUBLE-shepherd's crook (front & rear).
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Sub-Optimal Hillbilly Jazz

[jondrowjf@gmail.com]

So you mention owning both a vintage Shepherds crook trumpet and flugelhorn. But you leave us hanging about how well they play, comparsion with each other and a cornet. Mouthpieces , valve oil slide grease and do you play in public.
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Leblanc Vito alto sax ( possibly a Jupiter 669 stencil)
Cornet less at this time.

[Man Of Constant Sorrow]

[paulplaysalittle]

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[nkolisnyk]

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[deleted_user_cd24e5f]

It wasn't known to his fans until much later, Teo Macero was critical in the outcome of Miles electrification era.

From IN A SILENT WAY to the time of Macero's retirement, Davis studio sessions were extremely free form. It was Macero listening to reems of jamming and solos on TAPE that the arrangement for album release would be made with his manual editing and splicing. In A Silent Way is surprisingly repetitive upon analysis. Davis left all the rearranging to Macero, an accomplished band arranger.

John McLaughlin told Herbie Hancock that the group sounded awful during Bitches Brew. Hancock remarked, the album will sound OK. That was the major extent that Macero was involved in the production release.

Ever wonder why the original FILMORE album was such a mess? It's a literal recording of that era live without editing. Macero was critical to musical outcomes in this era.

After Macero retired, Davis went more rock funk pop and editing was no longer necessary because the songs had more traditional structures.

SOURCE: book Miles Beyond (2001), the ultimate authority on Mile Davis music from 1967 to his quitting.

[rhatheway]

Bob Stevenson and Tom Turner,

As the orignal post is from quite some time ago, I don't know if you're still active on TH or not, but thanks very much for the very clear explanations you both provided. You've made it very easy to understand the history and differences.

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[dershem]

Of course, the actual function of a shepherd's crook is to round up sheep. But that has almost nothing to do with horn design.
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BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces.

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[Man Of Constant Sorrow]

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