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Erin C
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... when you transcribe a solo, how important is it to transcribe the chord changes along with the notes? Or does it all depend on what you want to use the transcription for, and this question is just a waste of our time? 
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trumpet1
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| transcribe the chord if you wanna improv |
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Larry Smithee
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On 2002-07-21 21:29, Erin C wrote:
... when you transcribe a solo, how important is it to transcribe the chord changes along with the notes? Or does it all depend on what you want to use the transcription for, and this question is just a waste of our time?
Erin -iii<
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Q. Are the chords and notes of a transcribed solo important?
A. Yes. The chords provide important infomation regarding how the linear imporvised lines integrated with basic chord structure. To use an analogous description - it helps in determining how the solo line is woven through a fabric of chords. Hint...most standard jazz tunes' chord structures are available through numerous sources, including aebersold play-a-longs, fake books, etc. Therefore, it is rarely necessary to transcribe the chords for these tunes.
Q. Are the chords unnecessary if you're just going to mess around with the imporv line?
A. Yeah, I suppose you can get something out of such an exercise. But again, the RELATIONSHIP of the imporv line to the chords is what really makes the whole thing click.
Q. Is this question just a waste of time?
A. No.
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jazz_trpt
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At least *try* to infer the chord changes, or at least the root motion, so you have some idea about what the improvisor is thinking when they construct the line (which is really what you're trying to absorb in the first place, right?)...
Sometimes I'll just crib from a lead sheet if time is an issue, and then correct it as seems appropriate for that particular version.
Remember, when you're transcribing a solo, the goal isn't so you can 'learn a lick' -- if that's all you're doing, you'll have trouble generalizing what you learn to other situations. Look at the line in reference to the chord, listen to the line in the context of the sound the rhythm section is playing. It'll make more sense to you, and will have positive impacts on other elements of your improvised solos.
(Also, it doesn't hurt to learn a bit of piano!)
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