Pivot Manual

jhatpro · Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2002 10:42 am Post subject:

Anyone know where I can get a copy of the Pivot Manual? I have the Encyclopedia, which I bought from http://www.playjazz.com for $40.95, including shipping. But I'd like to see what's in the manual that's not in the "E."

Thanks!

Jim
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BeboppinFool · Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:52 am Post subject:

Rumor has it that Dave Sheetz has signed onto the Forum and will be sharing with us any day now. I imagine Dave has the answer to this otherwise unanswered query.

Now, one thing I do know, and that's if you contact Theodore Presser, they will go into the archives and make you a photocopy of one book for a not-very-reasonable fee. I went to the MENC convention in Florida a couple years ago and talked to them about that (they own all of the Elkan-Vogel catalog). I talked to the representative at the booth, and within a few weeks he wrote me back quoting how much it would be to get a single copy of the very same book. I can't remember how much that was then, but I remember thinking that it wasn't worth it for me (after all, I still have two of the originals).

Still waiting for a better answer right along with you, Jim.

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walter · Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:28 pm Post subject:

Hey Rich and others- I know some people who work for Pressers, and their store isn't too far from where I live. Perhaps I could make a personal visit and see if I can push some buttons. I've got a very busy weekend, and I'm famous for my lack of responsibility; so if I don't take some action within the next week or two, please feel free to kick my butt a little (I'm a sensitive type of guy) to see if there might be some arrangements to be made. Elkan-Vogel was always a small enterprise in a dusty 2nd or 3rd floor office. Presser probably picked-up the rights from Elkan-Vogel for a song.

I'm thinking of approaching the people I know at Presser with some type of appeal on an academic interest approach. Does anyone have any ideas? Does anyone have an interest in buying out Presser's interest in Doc's works?

walter

jhatpro · Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:17 am Post subject:

Walter,

That's very generous of you. How about starting by telling them you know some trumpet players who would buy copies if the price was reasonable. Ask them how much it might be if they printed up a batch instead of one-offed them.

As for owning the rights, what's the original date of publication? My understanding of the current law, including the so-called Sonny Bono Extension (passed in 1998; extends copyright 20 years) is that, unless it was renewed prior to the 28th year, the book may be in the public domain.

If they still own the rights and want to sell them, ask them for how much.

Keep us posted!

Jim

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walter · Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:29 pm Post subject:

I'll try to get out to Presser's next week some time. Keep bugging me if you don't hear something in a week or two.

walter

scream · Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 5:58 am Post subject:

One of the things we had hoped to discuss at the "Reinhardt Reunion" was how to purchase the rights to the publications so the Reinhardt Foundation has control of them. Hopefully we can get that moving forward. Heck, the president of the foundation is an attorney.....

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bgibson · Veteran Member Joined: 04 Sep 2002 Posts: 211

Walter;
While you are visiting the people at Presser's, how about checking on getting Doc's other 3 books back in print as well as the "Manual"?
WEG

Jerry Freedman · Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 12:45 pm Post subject:

Could you enumerate Doc's books and what is in them?

J. Freedman

BeboppinFool · Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 8:27 pm Post subject:

Jerry Freedman · Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:20 am Post subject:

thanks, Rich. I read the article. In the article it is mentioned that the title "Pivot" system came from Reinhardt's early golf experience. I would have expected it to be "Divot" sytem ( I duck and slink away)