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anrapa
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:07 am    Post subject: ideal sound on cornet Reply with quote

what is the ideal sound for a cornet? do you prefer v-shaped mouthpieces or trumpet-like ones?
personally I prefer the first kind, post your opinion and, if you are curious check my sound on !y web site at www.webalice.it/anrapa

look for carnaval-like and arban sections.

ciao!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ciao anrapa,

I love your cornet tone (I listened to Carnival of Venice). I can't imagine that you're not using a V-shaped cup. If not, don't change anything. What you're doing is the way that I think it should sound. Prego

Dave
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Applause!
Your playing is impeccable, I think you'd sound even better on a Sovereign-type cornet, one with a bit more of a ring to it. But maybe the recording room is an issue here.
Your mouthpiece, whatever it is, apparently suits you well.
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anrapa
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play a Denis Wick 3 and a Yamaha 16E4 V-Shaped short shank mouthpieces.

I just LOVE that sound!!!
The DW is bigger but cuts my high notes (I can barely play Eb on it), while the yamaha is a little (very little) shallower but improves a lot attacks, flexibility and range but with a little worse sound.

In my opinion cornet and piccolo trumpet MUST have short shank, otherwise they don't sound the way I expect.

I played schilke and yamaha big shank cornets and piccolos... ah, they sound like sqwaking birds...

Anyway Marsalis on his Bach cornet with a trumpet mouthpiece still sounds great in Carnaval!

Ciao!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful playing!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW Tony, please tell us about your recording rig.

You see to be in a nonreverbrant space, but the sound is very good and a good model for others that would like to put out some decent self recordings.

Dave
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx veeeeery much for the comments!

I'm italian so I miss some words at times: "rig" is "equipment"?

If so then, I used a AKG clip-on blell mike not clipped to the bell but to the music stand (to avoid hearing the "thud" sound each time I press a piston (I press them very firmly...).

The mike is kept 1 foot from the cornet bell and almost 2 feet from the trumpet's (the trumpets tends to peak the sound).

I use a Mac computer (iBook laptop) with a device that translates the kack to digital usb. Morover the AKG mike is hooked to a phantom power, powered with a 9V battery.

Everything is recorded in Mono and directly processed with some effects to enhance the sound. I use Garage Band (a free apple program), here are the effect I used: a little noise gate (otherwise you would hear my wife cooking and my cat mieow-ing...). A compressor (25% more or less), al little echo (15%) and some reverb (30%).

The combination of those effect produce a sound that's nice enough to my ears. My ideal sound is that of a little church...

Just to be fair: my recordings are not "one shot one kill": to make an example, in Carnival of Venice each variation has been recorded many times and only the best kept...

In other cases (duets or characteristic studies of arban) the parts are played in one single shot and most of the duets played and part of kopprasch by sight reading. I always dreamt about doing such a project (building a site about trumpet exercises in mp3) that I can't wait to record something new everyday! Sometimes I would have better studying the pieces!

Please also bear in mind that I'm not a pro and I'm almost completely self taught, so I completely miss some technical stuff (which I didn't record of course!)

That's why I would love people help me recording all the book I/you have!!!

If you want I can write a list of the files I NEED someone help me record!

Let me know and thanx again for the comments! You made me very proud!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful playing, anrapa! Wonderful recordings.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely delicate cornet playing anrapa, very nice touch. That stuff in the back of the Arbans is lots of fun and a real challenge...I've been working on Fantasie Brilliante myself recently, I thought with some success, but after hearing your playing I now realise I have some way to go.

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Trevor

PS. Deep V cups, absolutely.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tony. Yes, "rig" means "equipment" in the USA, in that context. You answered my questions perfectly.

I suspected you might have a little processing in there because I couldn't figure out what physical environment you were in. I've never been involved with a recording project where there weren't muliple "takes" and/or "punch ins". Good job on the recordings AND your attractive web site.

Milan is a BIG airport with lots of traffick, is it not? May you have continuing good luck with your vocation and may you ultimately get back to Southern Italia.

Ciao,

Dave
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never recorded on a computer before. How did you do the duets?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got experience just with a Mac, it's very easy: with garage band (a software you get with every mac) you just create 2 tracks and then just hit record with each of them! the second time you record you will hear the previous track as a reference!

Then you can export the result as separated or united tracks!

Easier than you can think!

If you are stuck with windows... then... I DON'T KNOW!!!

Hope it helps!

I just finished recording "America" (N.150 pag 244) from Arban... It was a TOUGH one!

Now I'm studying "Fantasia Brillante", camel brass made me think about it with the previous post and I wanted to get it in shape again, it's one my wife's favourite!

Ciao!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful playing! I am partial to that sound- a true cornet sound, not 'trumpety' at all. It took me a while to find a mouthpice like that (a Curry 3 VC); it will take me a lot longer to actually play like that!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the best Cornet sound with a Yamaha 16E deep V big rim and a back bore like a sewer pipe.
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