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stukvalve
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you guys got to admit ...
freddie hubbard is a bad MOFO.
he can play all heady ... then turn around and play nice and crusty. he can also glam out on highnotes for those who prefer the glam. he has a whole school of young musicians (including myself) following his style and harmonic ideas. freddie is the baddest.
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mark936
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Yo!
A guy wants to sell me a horn. "Played by Freddie Hubbard."
You ever think Freddie ever played and owned a Marcinkiewicz "Three" made in Burbank?
It's gold or Lacquer and has a bunch of booking schedules, personal paperwork with freddie's name etc in the case.
But no record or receipt with FH's name.
I've seen him a few times in concert. Showed up late and then played two hours straight. (in an old(gone) club on Lincoln blvd. in Marina Del Rey in '79.) |
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BADBOY-DON
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If you think that was truly Freddie's....(ask Freddie?) I highly doubt if it was...but The Hubb was at one time, quite a TRUMPET GEEK.
Yes...Freddie in the Morgan-Brownie-days was HOT HOT HOT and will live forever as one of the greatest ICONS to ever play. No matter what kind of crap folks are saying about Freddie Hubbard, he still deserves all the grace that I can give.
Freddie's Improvizational skills were out of this world...UP ON A LEVEL REACHED BY FEW MERE MORTALS...GADS, WHAT ENERGY! WHAT STYLE AND PROFILE. |
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douglast35758
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| Call or email Joe Marcinkiewicz mmpco@teleport.com . If it's true, he'd know for sure. No right-minded manufacturer would pass up the opportunity to gloat. --Doug |
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jazz_trpt
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On 2003-02-16 16:30, BADBOY-DON wrote:
No matter what kind of crap folks are saying about Freddie Hubbard, he still deserves all the grace that I can give.
Freddie's Improvizational skills were out of this world...
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You know, I don't think anyone in their right mind can claim that Freddie's improvisational skills were anything but spectacular. And I (as well as an awful lot of folks born after 1960) owe a great deal of their own style to Freddie's (and thus, tangentially, Booker Little, Brownie, and Fats).
That having been said, Freddie really sold out for a time, and recorded some really crappy records, and he rightfully got slammed for it.
I come not to bury Freddie, though, but to praise him. My favorite Freddie albums:
(1) Free For All (Blakey/Messengers)
(2) Ugetsu (Blakey/Messengers)
(3) Here To Stay (Freddie) <-- hard to find
(4) Ready For Freddie (Freddie) <-- hard to find
(5) Breaking Point (Freddie)
(6) Red Clay (Freddie)
(7) Goin' Up (Freddie)
( Three Blind Mice (Blakey/Messengers) <-- for "Blue Moon"
I buy anything I can find from before 1968 or so.
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BADBOY-DON
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JEFF!
A very good choice of music...my Freddie Fan! Yes, he has earned his GRACE!!! FOREVER!!! |
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stukvalve
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blakey ...
caravan ....
the baddest ever
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Larry Smithee
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Yeah, Stuckvalve. Feddie's playing on Blakey's Caravan was somthing else.
Jeff--
Didn't I hear you say sometime back that you had a transcription of that crazy Caravan bridge? If so, any chance that you'd share it with us?
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PH
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| I have to add "Straight Life" and Hancock's "Maiden Voyage" to your list. |
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jazz_trpt
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On 2003-02-18 07:53, PH wrote:
I have to add "Straight Life" and Hancock's "Maiden Voyage" to your list.
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There are so many. I never got into "Straight Life" much, but I seem to be in the minority. "Maiden Voyage", definitely should have been on the list...also "Empyrean Isles".
And while we're at it, Herbie's "V.S.O.P" album is pretty good for that period (Freddie's a bit over the top, but spectacular).
Frankly, I haven't heard a Blakey sextet side (the early 60s stuff) that Hubbard's on where he isn't just lighting it up on every tune.
Then there's Dexter Gordon's "Doin' Alright", Wayne Shorter's "Speak No Evil" and "The Soothsayer", etc. etc.
Freddie's gotta be the most recorded jazz trumpet player ever.
My vote for best Freddie album hardly anyone's heard - "Hot Horn".
You know, an even more interesting thread might be "Freddie albums to avoid"...."Windjammer" and "The Love Connection" come to mind. "Sing a Song of Songmy" is just a little too weird for most folks, that'd probably make my list...
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intrepidpooch
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| Jeff you're dead on the money man. But have you cats checked out a record on a minor label called "The Hub of Hubbard?" It's more or less a jam session album with tunes like "Without a Song," the band is Eddie Daniels, the late Sir Roland Hanna, Richard Davis, and Louis Hayes. Admittedly, the rhythm section sounds like they had a little too much to sniff before the red light went on, but his solo on "Without a Song" is undoubtedly some of the baddest **** he ever recorded. Also he cited his playing on Oliver Nelson's "Blues and the Abstract Truth" as his personal favorite from the sixties--"The Body and the Soul" is great too. "First Light" is also sublime. He gets more than a little over the top on his live CD "Above and Beyond" but plays some beautiful **** on "I Love You" and a lot of killin language on "Thermo." "Freddie Hubbard and Jimmy Heath Live at the Left Bank" is another must hear live album, and believe it or not, Freddie plays some simply incredible **** on a kinda cheesy seventies Columbia album called "Liquid Love." Check 'em out! |
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intrepidpooch
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By the way, I forgot to mention to anyone who wasn't already aware that Jeff Helgesen is a super bad cat who is really playing some incredible stuff, really carrying on the tradition of Clifford, Miles, Freddie, and Woody. If you guys ever find yourselves in the middle of central Illinois (Urbana-Champaign), go check Jeff out. You won't believe your ears!
P.S. What's up Jeff--haven't talked to you in like three years and just wanted to give you the shout out!
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jazz_trpt
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whoa, nellie! (thanks for the kind words, Ray)
"The Hub Of Hubbard" is a really weird album...you're right, the rhythm section sounds totally out of sync at times (of course, at the tempo they play "Without A Song", it sounds like whoever counted it off did so with an uzi)...
"Face to Face" is another odd one (w/Oscar Peterson). Somehow hearing solo stride piano on "Thermo" is just surreal.
There are a couple of things that have been released recently which are also excellent. "Above and Beyond" (on the Metropolitan label) and "Live at the Left Bank" (on Label M) are really good.
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bophead
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Artistry is pretty good stuff ... there is an arrangement of Caravan on it that wails ... and wails .... and wails. Freddy has run the gamut .. from being on top of his game/in high demand and then as a gamble. I hear he is doing well again ... more power to him.
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BrassGringo
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| V.S.O.P. quintet = super killin. |
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stukvalve
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i like the freddie hubbard/ woody shaw sessions ...
during which the recordings they produced the ultimate
hybrid .... FROODY SHABBARD.
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bluenote
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Anyone here heard "Night of the Cookers"? This is a live two disc recording, and he's playing with Lee Morgan. Awesome stuff.
Also, Herbie Hancock's "Takin' Off" is excellent.
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