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trumpetmike
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just me?
I LOVE the music of Bach, but whenever I hear the cello suites being played on other instruments I always feel that there is something missing. It is still great music, but (purely personal opinion) I am not convinced that Bach would have written them for trumpet, if a trumpet had been capable of chromaticism, as it now is.

Douglas Adams (creator of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) once said that when they were deciding what music to put on the Voyager spacecraft, they should not have put any Bach on it - it was just showing off

If you are a fan of Bach, you NEED to check out the German Brass DVD Bach on Brass - a performance from St Thomas' Church that is simply SUPERB.


Bach is always fantastic music, but I think that some pieces are best performed on the instruments for which they were intended - he knew what he was doing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand your point and agree that the cello suites on cello are more "true" to what Bach wrote them for (viola da gamba right?). But, does that mean that we should look longingly at this amazing music but keep our "hands to ourselves" in our own, very limited repertoire? If so, we need to give back the Tartini, Bellini, and many other works of the baroque repertoire that we now claim.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trumpetmike wrote:

If you are a fan of Bach, you NEED to check out the German Brass DVD Bach on Brass - a performance from St Thomas' Church that is simply SUPERB.


Seconded. Amazing DVD.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

millsy wrote:
trumpetmike wrote:

If you are a fan of Bach, you NEED to check out the German Brass DVD Bach on Brass - a performance from St Thomas' Church that is simply SUPERB.


Seconded. Amazing DVD.


'Thirded' Watched more times than I can remember!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do the two part inventuons on two trumpets.
It really works.
Just take the bass line up an octave.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BFlinch83 wrote:
I understand your point and agree that the cello suites on cello are more "true" to what Bach wrote them for (viola da gamba right?).


I'm pretty sure they were originally for cello, not gamba.

BFlinch83 wrote:
But, does that mean that we should look longingly at this amazing music but keep our "hands to ourselves" in our own, very limited repertoire? If so, we need to give back the Tartini, Bellini, and many other works of the baroque repertoire that we now claim.


Hear, hear. Do we want to be musicians or just trumpet players? You can't beat the Cello Suites on the cello, but why deny yourself great music just beacuse you play brass.

By the way, there's a beautiful rendition of the 1st and 3rd suites on the Clawhammer Banjo recorded by Michael J. Miles.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Bach Purist" is one of the most dangerous and rabid animals out there. It's best just to play transcriptions of his music and not tell anyone.

“Like cold showers and hot baths, Bach’s music is an almost satisfactory substitute for sex. Its purity grips minds slightly too rarified to be properly religious. It must be listened to, sung and played and discussed with an expression of ineluctable piety. Compared with the music of Bach; Beethoven’s and Mozart’s efforts are the soiled product of the dirty
human hand. It is possible to like Bach and nothing else – it is even ikely. Yet in spite of the clinical and demanding nature of his music, it is tremendously popular. If you happen to meet a real Bach addict it would be better to faint, or pretend that you have to get home because of the babysitter. Any suggestion that you like other composers just as
much, or even more, but can take Bach as good clean fun and enjoy listening to a recording of his cello suites while you lie in the bath, can earn you a very nasty reputation. You must take Bach seriously or not at all!"

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bach Cello Suites! For trumpet!
How come I didn't know about this sooner!?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite CD is by Nikolaus Harnoncourt.

IMHP, interpretations of Rosropovich, Bylsma......etc. who emphasized this suite as dance music are just a follower of this.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My partial rendition, work in progress...

http://www.arrowbeach.com/trumpet/Mp3/BachCelloSuite/index.html
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gisondi book is also great, with a number of the violin/viola/cello pieces set for trumpet.

And I re-second the German Brass DVD - spectacular!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play Bach fairly often. I have 3 Strads in the closet.
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