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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 11316 Location: Ash (an even smaller place ), UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Is it just me?
I LOVE the music of Bach, but whenever I hear the cello suites being played on other instruments I always feel that there is something missing. It is still great music, but (purely personal opinion) I am not convinced that Bach would have written them for trumpet, if a trumpet had been capable of chromaticism, as it now is.
Douglas Adams (creator of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) once said that when they were deciding what music to put on the Voyager spacecraft, they should not have put any Bach on it - it was just showing off
If you are a fan of Bach, you NEED to check out the German Brass DVD Bach on Brass - a performance from St Thomas' Church that is simply SUPERB.
Bach is always fantastic music, but I think that some pieces are best performed on the instruments for which they were intended - he knew what he was doing. |
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BFlinch83 Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 244 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
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I understand your point and agree that the cello suites on cello are more "true" to what Bach wrote them for (viola da gamba right?). But, does that mean that we should look longingly at this amazing music but keep our "hands to ourselves" in our own, very limited repertoire? If so, we need to give back the Tartini, Bellini, and many other works of the baroque repertoire that we now claim.
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millsy Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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trumpetmike wrote: |
If you are a fan of Bach, you NEED to check out the German Brass DVD Bach on Brass - a performance from St Thomas' Church that is simply SUPERB.
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Seconded. Amazing DVD. |
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Dave Payn Regular Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 21 Location: Isle of Arran, Scotland, UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: |
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millsy wrote: | trumpetmike wrote: |
If you are a fan of Bach, you NEED to check out the German Brass DVD Bach on Brass - a performance from St Thomas' Church that is simply SUPERB.
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Seconded. Amazing DVD. |
'Thirded' Watched more times than I can remember! |
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2895 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Do the two part inventuons on two trumpets.
It really works.
Just take the bass line up an octave. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
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trumpetart Heavyweight Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 726 Location: Cotati, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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BFlinch83 wrote: | I understand your point and agree that the cello suites on cello are more "true" to what Bach wrote them for (viola da gamba right?). |
I'm pretty sure they were originally for cello, not gamba.
BFlinch83 wrote: | But, does that mean that we should look longingly at this amazing music but keep our "hands to ourselves" in our own, very limited repertoire? If so, we need to give back the Tartini, Bellini, and many other works of the baroque repertoire that we now claim. |
Hear, hear. Do we want to be musicians or just trumpet players? You can't beat the Cello Suites on the cello, but why deny yourself great music just beacuse you play brass.
By the way, there's a beautiful rendition of the 1st and 3rd suites on the Clawhammer Banjo recorded by Michael J. Miles. _________________ Daniel Gianola-Norris |
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Jay Lichtmann Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Posts: 662 Location: Avon, CT
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: |
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The "Bach Purist" is one of the most dangerous and rabid animals out there. It's best just to play transcriptions of his music and not tell anyone.
“Like cold showers and hot baths, Bach’s music is an almost satisfactory substitute for sex. Its purity grips minds slightly too rarified to be properly religious. It must be listened to, sung and played and discussed with an expression of ineluctable piety. Compared with the music of Bach; Beethoven’s and Mozart’s efforts are the soiled product of the dirty
human hand. It is possible to like Bach and nothing else – it is even ikely. Yet in spite of the clinical and demanding nature of his music, it is tremendously popular. If you happen to meet a real Bach addict it would be better to faint, or pretend that you have to get home because of the babysitter. Any suggestion that you like other composers just as
much, or even more, but can take Bach as good clean fun and enjoy listening to a recording of his cello suites while you lie in the bath, can earn you a very nasty reputation. You must take Bach seriously or not at all!"
Peter Gammond
from "Bluff Your Way in Music" _________________ In his retirement he had become that most dreaded of former athletes, the one who always remembered how much harder it was in his day "when ships were made of wood and men were made of steel."
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morite Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Bach Cello Suites! For trumpet!
How come I didn't know about this sooner!? |
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JohnCage Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 354 Location: Seoul, Korea(South)
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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My favorite CD is by Nikolaus Harnoncourt.
IMHP, interpretations of Rosropovich, Bylsma......etc. who emphasized this suite as dance music are just a follower of this. _________________ Scherzer 8211 Bb
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anrapa Veteran Member
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MartinRooney Regular Member
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 40 Location: Boston/Newton MA
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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The Gisondi book is also great, with a number of the violin/viola/cello pieces set for trumpet.
And I re-second the German Brass DVD - spectacular! _________________ Marty
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I play Bach fairly often. I have 3 Strads in the closet. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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