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trumpetera
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tack Krax!

I'll see what I decide to do.

I once had yet another NY Bach that I sold to a fellow trumpeter-apparently FAR too cheap!

It was made in 1939, and actually originally sold by Bach to a Swedish music business: Birger Steiner in Stockholm.

Apparently this was pretty rare, since Bach was NOT the make of choice here in Sweden at that time. That changed in the late 50's-early 60's! I still miss that horn sometimes.

As for the finish not being original on my trumpet-I dont know. The shopcard is left blank under "finish", but it was sold to Micklejohn Music Co in november 35.

An oddity is, that the valvecasings seem to be made out of one piece brass rather than the nickel/brass configuration that seems to be the norm.

I'll now try to use my (very small) computer skills to their limit, and post a picture of it showing the valve casings! Wish me luck!......





Hope it worked!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great Picture trumpetera. A couple of interesting points about this horn that I think makes it particularly unique from others that I have seen before.

Main braces appear to be nickel (very uncommon). Slide bead rings on main 3rd and second slides, a nice vintage feature and the small wrap with single brace on the main tuning slide.

I can't tell from the picture if the bell bead is traditional or French. This horn even if it is without the the original lacquer looks fantastic.

I was really struck by the physical similarities to my custom Strad that I just received!.It is very resonant and the perfect companion horn to my Chicago C, same feel in hands with tighter wrap with tons of resonance!

Before:


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IMO NEVER trade and only sell if the price is very right! Its concondition appears to be exceptional from what the picture displays. I was trying to put yours and my before picture side by side but don't know how to. Does anyone else?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow 65strad!

That's a beautiful horn!

The braces are nickel silver-had no idea that was unusual, thanks! The bead is the flat french style.

The whole feel when holding the trumpet is much more robust than my 1943 NY Strad. Maybe there was a shortage of material for trumpet manufacture during the war?

The 1943 bell is actually very thin, much like a lightweight. Not so on this one.

On the bell it says 26-59, and in the underlining of Bach's signature it says 45-apparently the type of brass used.

Congrats on your horn!

Now, lets try to convince the people at Bach to build horns like that again!!
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Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trumpetera wrote:
Wow 65strad!

That's a beautiful horn!

The braces are nickel silver-had no idea that was unusual, thanks! The bead is the flat french style.

The whole feel when holding the trumpet is much more robust than my 1943 NY Strad. Maybe there was a shortage of material for trumpet manufacture during the war?

The 1943 bell is actually very thin, much like a lightweight. Not so on this one.

On the bell it says 26-59, and in the underlining of Bach's signature it says 45-apparently the type of brass used.

Congrats on your horn!

Now, lets try to convince the people at Bach to build horns like that again!!


So you have a very Nice .459" Bore (ML) with a .018" thick #26 bell Bach Strad with a French Bead.

Any Leadpipe number???

Cool!!!

If it were not for the value of the horn I'd trade it for a Kanstul Chicago but that is worth more even if not for you!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has a no. 6 leadpipe on it.

I've decided to not do the trade with the shop, but I'm definitely going on a Kanstul Chicago hunt when funds permit. Or a Benge 3X!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From an investment point of view, the NY Bach is going to appreciate. It's doubtful that the Kanstul will, and even if it does, it's probably only going to keep up with inflation.

From a playing point of view, that would be up to you entirely. How about keeping the Bach, saving your allowance and buying the Kanstul?

Best wishes,

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks John!

That's probably what I'll end up doing!

All the best!
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Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of how it plays, they aren't going to make more NY Bachs.

The number available is more or less set. The market for them will only go up.

There are always people who will want to try/buy one since they have a semi-mystical reputation (that perhaps isn't justified). I'm not saying that some of them aren't fine horns.

If you want a Kanstul - they're fine horns, so try to pick one up.

If you can, hang onto your NY Bach - think of it as an investment. There aren't many other horns that you can do that with. Most trumpet depreciate regardless of how well they may play. I don't see that happening with yours.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a look into it's potential value check out these links...

http://horntrader.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=V5

http://www.horntrader.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=NYBACH

http://www.horntrader.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=MalNAb

Enjoy!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Finn!

Thanks very much for the replies!

I think you are absolutely right. The NY Bachs seem to be something that only increases in value, and you are also right about the fact that not ALL of them justify the mythical stardom they seem to have. I once played a 1948 NY strad that made me wonder if Mr. Bach was in a particularly bad mood the day he built it!

I'll hang on to my horn, play it when the venue is suitable, and look for a Chicago 1000!
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Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not forget to try a 1001 also or a vintage Benge 3X+.

Those are neat too.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chicago 1001 seems a little too big for my taste, very nice horn as well though!


I want to thank all of you for your help with input and feedback!

It's greatly appreciated!


Thanks!
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Bach Mt Vernon 1957 Bb
Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, after much thought and consideration, I decided to sell it anyway. I have the chance to buy a NY only two(!) serial no's away from my other NY, and that is too good to pass on!

It is on the sales corner if anyone is interrested! (hopefully!)
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Bach Mt Vernon 1957 Bb
Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
Very old YTR-6335
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Malone-Bach 229 C
H.Ganter Bb
Schagerl Wienna (older model) C
Parker Natural
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