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Tuningbell
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 Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: Yamaha 9820C Piccolo |
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Hello All -
I have the chance to purchase a Yamaha 9820C (Bb/A piccolo) Piccolo for $1900 brand new including case, two mouthpipes and extra 3rd slide without the rotary valve. Is this a fair price. I thought this yamaha custom horn was priced even above the Schilke P54. I like the horn it projects great. It for me is a cross between the old selmers and a P54. Thoughts and Opinions welcome. If I buy it and want to resell it what do you think I could ask?
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newtrumpetguy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Well I've never owned/played one but I've seen the resell value of around $1000, tops $1300 in "new"(played a few times but basically new) condition.
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Tuningbell
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Thats not too bad. I see some places have them for more in their used sections. Dillon's has one now. But I know what they ask and what they can be had for are very different. I need a pic to play some Xmas gigs.I can rent one for the gigs. WAS CURIOUS IF I COULD FLIP IT AFTER AND BREAK EVEN. It is a player, do I really want to tie up money in a horn I only play twice a year? |
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jvand678
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I've played them before and they are quite nice little horns. However, unless it's truly something special, at 1900 bucks, you'll have to wait quite a while, if ever, to pull that back out of it. There was one on ebay about a month ago without the 3rd trigger that sold for about 800 and there's still one for 1700 that has been re-listed several times. For Dillon's, I'd probably offer in the 1250 range and see where that takes ya.
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Tuningbell
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Just trying to figure the hedge. If I rent it for six months a year. each it will cost me around $600/year. If I pay $1900 for it and sell it in May June for 1300 I break even. If I keep it another year and sell it for around a thousand I am OK and if I keep it 3 years and can get 800-1000 I am still OK. Do these numbers seem reasonable? |
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Maarten van Weverwijk
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I've played and owned many piccolos.
This is one of the best I've ever played, if not the best.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Tuningbell wrote: | | Just trying to figure the hedge. If I rent it for six months a year. each it will cost me around $600/year. If I pay $1900 for it and sell it in May June for 1300 I break even. If I keep it another year and sell it for around a thousand I am OK and if I keep it 3 years and can get 800-1000 I am still OK. Do these numbers seem reasonable? |
If you're figuring only on what it would cost you to rent the horn, I believe it is totally worth it. But again, 1900 is still a little higher than what these are moving for. Wouldn't it be nicer to consider this horn paid for in 2 years instead of three? I would still ask them to move a little lower.
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| I feel part of what is killing the resale on these is the Jinbao/Dillion interpretations of this model. Why pay 1,000 when I can get a similar horn for 495 new? I have played both I prefer the original by a wide margin! |
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Maarten van Weverwijk
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| If you're looking for a horn to flip, look somewhere else. If you're looking for a killer piccolo (a keeper) for a reasonable price, then this is an extremely good one. |
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Tuningbell
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| I want to keep it wife might have other plans.... |
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I have one of these and it is one of the best horns ever made.
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Maarten van Weverwijk
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| newtrumpetguy wrote: | | Well I've never owned/played one but I've seen the resell value of around $1000, tops $1300 in "new"(played a few times but basically new) condition. |
By the way:
Are you sure you're talking about the same model?¿?
A 9820C for $1000, as good as good as new, all original with the extra third slide and case sounds like the deal of the century to me...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Maarten van Weverwijk wrote: | | newtrumpetguy wrote: | | Well I've never owned/played one but I've seen the resell value of around $1000, tops $1300 in "new"(played a few times but basically new) condition. |
By the way:
Are you sure you're talking about the same model?¿?
A 9820C for $1000, as good as good as new, all original with the extra third slide and case sounds like the deal of the century to me...
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That's what I was thinking too. I've never seen it for anywhere near $1000. I think you're thinking of a different model - possibly the 6810 short model. That's a plausible used price for one of those.
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Maarten van Weverwijk
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Maarten van Weverwijk wrote: | | ...A 9820C for $1000, as good as good as new... |
Hmm,
the thought of finding a mint 9820C for $1000 clearly made me more nervous than I realized. 
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| Maarten van Weverwijk wrote: | | If you're looking for a horn to flip, look somewhere else. If you're looking for a killer piccolo (a keeper) for a reasonable price, then this is an extremely good one. |
I was going to say the same thing, but I was going to be more blunt.
Don't trust financial decisions to random people on the internet.
To me it sounds like a great price for a great piccolo. If you decide to ditch it in a few months there's a good chance you'll break even, but be prepared for the worst... |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YTR-9820C-Piccolo-Trumpet-Free-shipping-/230553084446?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item35ae08e21e
Here's the one I mentioned earlier. It seems to be priced "right" but I didn't see that it has the extra 3rd slide. As for the 1000 bucks starting point, that's incredibly low for anything I've seen. I also haven't seen them sell lower than 1500. I've been trying to pick one of these up for the last few months myself so I've been watching.... I just can't give high market value considering I still have my Scherzer and a P5-4 getting the job done just fine.
good luck!
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jvand678
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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also, please let me edit any of my previous statements! After all the years in school you'd think I'd learn to read.... 1900 for a BRAND NEW 9820C is a steal. Buy your horn, hide it from your wife and enjoy!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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It was selling new for about $3000 before Yamaha replaced the model. If you can afford the $1900, it's a great horn at a great price. As far as re-sale, this is not a stable enough economic time to predict with any confidence. Two or three years ago, these were selling for over $2000 used. and worth it. You should probably not plan on buying anything new with the idea of reselling it used for the same price. Not a good plan in any economy.
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Good call. Did you ask the seller?
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