A more efficient Bach 3C

rhodf · Regular Member Joined: 09 May 2002 Posts: 97

I am looking for someone who has some experience playing Marcinkeiwicz and Stork mouthpieces to give me some real world playing advice to narrow down my search. I am looking for a more efficient and focused version of a Bach 3c. I want a good balanced sound (not laser bright or tubby dark) that I can use in a brass quintet setting that will help endurance and range without sacrificing a good sound. I have a Marcinkeiwicz 3/5C which is okay, perhaps a little bright, but doesn't give me enough chop room. After about 30 minutes of playing, my lips swell enough that it becomes difficult to get the notes to speak. I also know that shallow cups don't work well for me. A Reeves M cup is as shallow as I can go or my chops start hitting the bottom of the mouthpiece cup.

I was thinking about the Marcinkeiwicz 300 line. Which one(s) whould you suggest I try? Whick Stork mouthpieces do you think fall into this category?

Thanks.

VetPsychWars · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject:

Have you tried a Schilke 14?

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crzytptman · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject:

Try a Flip Oakes 3-O, or regular Wild Thing 3. I believe the WT has a 27 drill, and a little tighter bbore than the Bach. The O is 26 drill and something like a 117 bbore. Another option is the Kanstul BMV1-1/2C on a R2 or Warburton 9 bbore. Or, check out Curry.
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PZ · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject:

Curry BMV 3C copy
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Tim McGinley · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject:

Try an Austin Custom Brass piece. Very well made and present a great spectrum of sound! Trent has done a remarkable job with his mouthpiece line. Certainly worth checking out!

Crazy Finn · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:56 pm Post subject:

Matthew Anklan · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: A more efficient Bach 3C

PH · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject:

Finding a mouthpiece that balances with how you play and with your instrument is the key. Trying random mouthpieces in an unsystematic way based on others' suggestions is a guaranteed route to frustration. 6 weeks from now you are going to see Alex Yates. Don't spend another penny on mouthpieces until after that.
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VetPsychWars · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject:

PH · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject:

Objection sustained...but I'm still right.
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jazzykendall · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject:

Is there something in particular that is drawing you to the two brands you mentioned? You had said that a Bob Reeves M cup is about as shallow as you can go. I played on a Bach 3c for years and my prof turned me onto the Reeves line. I play on a 43C and M with a 69 back bore and have no complaints what-so-ever with them.
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irith · Heavyweight Member Joined: 14 Sep 2008 Posts: 879

Just about every brand makes something along these lines... for starters:
GR 66M, 3M, some others
Warburton 4MC/ various backbores
Pickett 3C/various backbores
ACB 3CS
Schilke 14B
Yamaha 14B4
With Kanstul you could get a 3C top and then pick a little tighter backbore.
And that's just the beginning. Try out some pieces and pick what feels best.
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TrumpetMD · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: A more efficient Bach 3C

hornblower33 · New Member Joined: 06 Jun 2011 Posts: 6

check out the 3Cs made by Greg Black.

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Brent · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: Stork

I would suggest a Stork 3D. The cup is considered medium/shallow, but it doesn't sound bright at all too me. Maybe it's the 'V' shape.
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tradjazzman · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Nov 2002 Posts: 176

Hi,
For what's it's worth I just finished a similiar safari. I loved my Bach 3C but was hoping to find something a little more comfortable and open. Mark Curry made me a Curry 3C. for cornet and it is S' Wonderful.

I went thru the Schilke, GR, Bach, Marc, even a mint Bach MV3C. All good of course, but for me the Curry 3C. won me over. We're all different, and our cornet choice and set up is also different. But I thought I'd just pass along my findings and what worked for me.

I play a Getzen Custom 3850 copper bell cornet, and play mostly early Jazz. I like and need a nice clear tone, yet I want a little fire if I step on the gas. I just bought a Curry 3C. for my LA Benge Trumpet too. All works and sounds great. At a great price too. My other choice was a GR66M (for trumpet). A lot folks (me included) like the GR66M's too. If you like a Bach 3C that would be my choice of two to try.

Best of luck,

Ben

JeffM729 · Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:02 am Post subject:

If you are looking for a 3Cish mouthpiece that provides more range and endurance than the Bach, you might want to try a Curry 3M. The Curry M series cups are slightly shallower than the Bach C cups, but retain all the other characteristics, unlike a Bach 3D. The Bach D cups have a different rim. Then you can have the option of going with a slightly more shallow cup when needed. I also can't play shallow cups, but the Curry is deep enough to get a good legit sound and not be a problem for me.

Mark Curry makes fine mouthpieces and the price is very reasonable.