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Jon Arnold Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:40 am Post subject: Bach 10 1/2C |
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I have been playing for 35 going on 36 years. Like many young players, started out on a 7C. Switched to a 3C in high school and have been on 3C range mouthpieces for many years. Lately I have been playing around with vintage Bach mouthpieces and have fallen in love with a 10 1/2 C from the 60's. I never thought I could play on a smaller mouthpiece but I am having fun with it.
Years ago I went to hear the legendary Blue Wisp Big in Cincinnati and the 2nd player sounded so good on his solos. Being a young and dumb kid, I asked what mouthpiece are you playing on? He said 10 1/2C. He sounded so dark. I was shocked by it. |
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5227 Location: ca.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have one I like as well ! _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
☛ "No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up" Lily Tomlin☚ |
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JLandressBrassCustServ. Regular Member
Joined: 18 May 2019 Posts: 46 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Hey Jon,
We hope all is well with you and that you're staying safe during these crazy times!
We LOVE the Bach 10 1/2C and feel that it is an often neglected mouthpiece in today's trumpet ideal. It is a mouthpiece that, depending on the era, plays much bigger than our mind believes it to be and can work well in a variety of settings.
In blind playing tests, we have seen the 10 1/2C go head-to-head with some of the popular "bigger" orchestral sizes as well as smaller commercial sizes. It has just enough depth to sound legit while having enough compression to add brilliance to your tone for lead parts. The biggest thing we notice is that because of the way the cup and rim are shaped, it forces the player to relax, and once we relax, everything is better!
Enjoy! _________________ Garrett Faccone
Customer Service
garrett@jlbrass.com
J. Landress Brass, LLC.
153 West 36th Street 3rd Floor
NY, NY 10018
Shop: 646-922-7126
www.jlandressbrass.com |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8911 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely nothing wrong with a 10.5C. It's neither particularly small or shallow. The only camp I can think of that routinely shows bias against such pieces are the legit types who insist on particularly large IDs. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5227 Location: ca.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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As with other Bach MPs the MT Vernon is quite different, I have a 10 1/2 "D" that is interesting as well........ _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
☛ "No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up" Lily Tomlin☚ |
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RussellDDixon Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Apr 2014 Posts: 832 Location: Mason, OH
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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That's my size. I have a Mt Vernon 10.5C that Matt Anklan gave me; Steve Patrick's 12C is a piece you'll love also if you love the 10.5C. My bigger "legit" pieces are the Marcinkiewicz Claude Gordon Personal pieces with the 22 drill and 20 drill. _________________ Schilke X3 Bb trumpet
Yamaha 631g Flugelhorn
Nicholson Monette Prana Resonance LT mouthpiece
Kanstul Claude Gordon Personal mouthpiece |
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Jon Arnold Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:10 am Post subject: |
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One of my heroes, Carl Saunders plays on one and the tone is not small by any means. Thanks for the feedback everyone. Hope you all stay safe out there. |
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 1294 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Okay so what eras are the best?
JLandressBrassCustServ. wrote: | Hey Jon,
We hope all is well with you and that you're staying safe during these crazy times!
We LOVE the Bach 10 1/2C and feel that it is an often neglected mouthpiece in today's trumpet ideal. It is a mouthpiece that, depending on the era, plays much bigger than our mind believes it to be and can work well in a variety of settings.
In blind playing tests, we have seen the 10 1/2C go head-to-head with some of the popular "bigger" orchestral sizes as well as smaller commercial sizes. It has just enough depth to sound legit while having enough compression to add brilliance to your tone for lead parts. The biggest thing we notice is that because of the way the cup and rim are shaped, it forces the player to relax, and once we relax, everything is better!
Enjoy! |
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multiphonic Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:17 am Post subject: |
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JLandressBrassCustServ. wrote: | Hey Jon,
We hope all is well with you and that you're staying safe during these crazy times!
We LOVE the Bach 10 1/2C and feel that it is an often neglected mouthpiece in today's trumpet ideal. It is a mouthpiece that, depending on the era, plays much bigger than our mind believes it to be and can work well in a variety of settings.
In blind playing tests, we have seen the 10 1/2C go head-to-head with some of the popular "bigger" orchestral sizes as well as smaller commercial sizes. It has just enough depth to sound legit while having enough compression to add brilliance to your tone for lead parts. The biggest thing we notice is that because of the way the cup and rim are shaped, it forces the player to relax, and once we relax, everything is better!
Enjoy! |
What a bunch of meaningless twaddle. Does your boss endorse this nonsense? |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1825 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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While Doug's rim copying approach may seem low tech to those of you familiar with computer generated copies, I assure you his copies are right on target.
Perhaps I should make a video of myself destroying a Yamaha EM2 with my hand held drill and screwdrivers. |
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trpt2 Veteran Member
Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 165 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yo, multiphonic, why the hate ?
I don't see your name under your profile, so what's up with this?
You want to remain anonymous and bash one of the best shops around??
Please fill me in. ..... |
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chapahi Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 1465 Location: Stuttgart, Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:17 am Post subject: |
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I bought a Mount Vernon 10 1/2 C on ebay for $10, which is pretty common whereas a M.V. 3C or 1 1/4 C goes for $300 or more. Same quality. _________________ Sima, Kanstul 1525 Flugel and Kanstul pocket trumpet. Olds Super |
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amboguzzi Regular Member
Joined: 31 Mar 2020 Posts: 27 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 6:01 pm Post subject: 10.5 C |
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I started playing on a 10 1/2C in the 60's. In the early 70's I was studying with Roy Stevens and I switched to his mouthpiece. The Stevens mouthpiece has a slightly wider inner dimension, slightly shallower cup, a slightly flatter and wider rim, that just feels softer and more comfortable than the 10 1/2C. Of course my 10 1/2C sits in my case right next to Roy's mouthpiece. You just can't let go of some things!! _________________ Anthony Memoli |
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amboguzzi Regular Member
Joined: 31 Mar 2020 Posts: 27 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:55 am Post subject: Bach 10-1/2C discrepancies!! |
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Since I have begun playing again after many years, I have been experimenting with different mouthpieces. I grew up playing a
VINCENT BACH CORP MT VERNON NY 10-1/2C, produced from 1960 -64! It has a wider more comfortable rim which I like and a smaller inside diameter. It was the piece that came with my trumpet. Recently I picked up a VINCENT BACH CORP. MT. VERNON N.Y. 10-1/2CW. It has a larger inside diameter and a really nice sound, perhaps due to the mass of the piece. The rim is exceptionally wide with a sharp bite. It's described as being for high pressure users but I can't see using a lot of pressure with this piece with the bite as sharp as it is.
Yesterday I received a VINCENT BACH CORP 10-1/2C, produced from 1965 -69! I thought it would be nice to have two 10-1/2C mouthpieces so I could keep one in my second trumpet case. This mouthpiece is radically different from my original Mt. Vernon. Not even close. The rim is narrower, the inside diameter is larger. It is much closer to a 7C than my original 10-1/2C MT VERNON.
So my question!!? Is the VINCENT BACH CORP 10-1/2C a rogue mouthpiece or is my original VINCENT BACH CORP MT VERNON 10-1/2C, with the more comfortable wider rim and smaller inside diameter a rogue piece? _________________ Anthony Memoli
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wilder Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jun 2020 Posts: 341 Location: NYC
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:03 am Post subject: |
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trpt2 wrote: | Yo, multiphonic, why the hate ?
I don't see your name under your profile, so what's up with this?
You want to remain anonymous and bash one of the best shops around??
Please fill me in. ..... | Yes, that was strange. jw |
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wilder Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jun 2020 Posts: 341 Location: NYC
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Welcome to Bach mouthpieces. They are all different. If you are in love with a particular one then at some point have CURRY or one of the other guys copy it so you have a backup. Better to spend the cash then go jerking around trying to find another one. jw |
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jvf1095 Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2019 Posts: 337
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hello. Just picked up a VINCENT BACH CORP. 10 1/2 C. Tall lettering, all capitals with the DOT at the end). Any stats on this? Era, age, dimensions, etc. I have a PEAK 7C that has tighter bore (or back bore). I know this because just blowing air through them, the PEAK 7C has more resistance. I understand that there are generic 10 1/2 Cs out there that I saw on EBAY & Amazon called student types. Someone commented on them & said the throat on the student 10 1/2 C was not as wide as the Bach Version. (Tighter I guess they meant). Anyone know about the older Bach versus the newer version? They only want $14 for the new one. Thanks & Happy New Year to all. |
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