Apredato Mouthpieces

crazyalien257 · Veteran Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 112

I was listening to James Morrison on Youtube when I found out he played on a Schagerl "Apredato" mouthpiece. Apparently you fill it up with water or something, I don't understand the Physics of it all, nor does the Schagerl website explain alot.

Does anyone know what the water actually does to the mouthpiece? Has anyone on TH played on one before?

btw Thomas Gansch sounds fantastic on them.
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chuck in ny · Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:59 am Post subject:

good subject. i never fully understood the physics of the sound wave as it resonates back to the mouthpiece but safe to say something very definite is going on and mouthpiece material plays a role. i would love to see some progress in this area, twenty-first century and all. ..chuck

stanton · Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject:

I can't help but wonder why Schagerl isn't well represented (or represented at all) in the USA? The only Schagerls I've ever gotten close to was Tage Larsen's Schagerl piston tpt (don't know which model). Valves were really smooth, but I didn't get to blow it.
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crazyalien257 · Veteran Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 112

Sorry to resurrect an oldish topic, but seriously, does ANYONE know anything about these mouthpieces at all ?
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oxleyk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 4180

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oxleyk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 4180

My other theory is for cooling. Because when you have your tongue arch, air compression, and air speed working in full gear that mouthpiece gets super-hot.

Kent

EBjazz · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:21 am Post subject:

efofex · New Member Joined: 31 Jul 2012 Posts: 2

I have been using the Apredato mouthpiece full time for about six months. My wife bought it for me a year ago after seeing me try it at a competition. I was initially sceptical about it but decided to give it a good try (it was, after all, quite expensive.)

Initially I found it VERY difficult to control. It had a great warm, full sound in the lower register but I kept missing notes (by MILES) in the upper register. I tried the mouthpiece at a orchestral rehearsal (you know, high A ppp entries on a cold trumpet - typical orchestral stuff) and it was a disaster. We had a big concert in a month so I put the mouthpiece away in disgust and went back to my VB 3C.

After the concert, I had a few months with nothing major on so decided to give the mouthpiece one last shot. What a revelation!

It turned out that I was missing the high notes because I was overpitching. The Apredato was SO much easier to hit high notes on that my lip was not "recalibrating". After about a month of perseverance, I got it right and now would not change from the Apredato.

With the Apredato I have the fullest, roundest sound in all registers that I have ever achieved. I seem to be able to produce FAR more volume without it becoming strident. Every conductor I have played for since has specifically commented on the quality of the sound I am producing and I just feel incredibly comfortable playing just about any genre.

One thing I have noticed is that the Apredato requires fairly constant practice. If I have a break of much more than a fortnight, I seem to lose that control over the upper register.

Your mileage will obviously vary but the Apredato has definitely won me over after immense initial scepticism.

P Hooper

razeontherock · Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject:

I think it must be trying to give you a fluid sound

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StupidBrassObsession · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Mar 2012 Posts: 1014

The real question is when will Kanstul copy it and sell it for $50? :p

razeontherock · Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:57 am Post subject:

Is it an EQ? Next we'll have heating and cooling devices on the water, to set the EQ? Or is it a dampener, to prevent loss of vibration, sending it on down the line? Or is there no difference? I've got an experiment or 2 showing that it's not exactly weight that's needed, (to dampen the vibrations in the metal and thereby retain them in the air column more efficiently) but perhaps just thickness of material.

RandyTX · Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:11 am Post subject:

Break out the pool tester, if the PH of the water isn't correct, then of course the magic pixie dust will mildew.

Also, you have to use holy water obtained from the Vatican for it to function up to specs.

MichaelM2 · Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:43 am Post subject:

Try the holy water from Lourdes, it works miracles.

Mike

efofex · New Member Joined: 31 Jul 2012 Posts: 2

They are actually not supposed to be filled right up. There are quite detailed instructions supplied in how to get just the right amount of water in them -but I totally ignore them and almost fill it right up. Seems to work for me.

Pixie dust and ph testing is not required!

Perhaps the most definitive thing I can say is that it definitely plays differently without water in it. I have heard a few theories about why it works but to be honest, I don't care. From purely personal experience, it works for me. Is it worth the money? NO. But as it was a gift I am more than happy to keep playing it.

As I said before, I was extremely skeptical but I am now a convert.

While I like the Lourdes water idea, I think I will try bourbon next.

razeontherock · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:10 am Post subject:

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razeontherock · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject:

"Fine" scotch, is a very relative term

How much are these apres ski things anyway? Thought I saw a number like 205 somewhere? Less than either Monette or Reeves. (Course if that was in euros that's more like 360 some?)

StupidBrassObsession · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Mar 2012 Posts: 1014

Bump....

Anyone else tried one out?