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JeffTheHornGuy
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James made a video of it. It uses the same technology of a soundproof room. The water prevents energy from exiting the mouthpiece by simply vibrating the mouthpiece. The water keeps all vibrations in the mouthpiece.
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MetricTrumpet
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| Something else to note is that water has a density of 1g/cm2 while copper has a density of 8.93g/cm2 (I couldn't find the density of brass). Waves move more quickly through objects of lower density than through objects of higher density. My logic may be flawed but maybe faster motion of waves creates quicker response in the mouthpiece. Perhaps this mouthpiece being filled with water allows it to sound like heavy mouthpiece while having quick response like a lightweight mouthpiece. |
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davidkoch
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Who cares WHY it works. All I care about is that it works.
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| MetricTrumpet wrote: | | Something else to note is that water has a density of 1g/cm2 while copper has a density of 8.93g/cm2 (I couldn't find the density of brass). Waves move more quickly through objects of lower density than through objects of higher density. My logic may be flawed but maybe faster motion of waves creates quicker response in the mouthpiece. Perhaps this mouthpiece being filled with water allows it to sound like heavy mouthpiece while having quick response like a lightweight mouthpiece. |
The speed of sound in water is about 1433 m/s. In copper, it's about 4600 m/s. In brass, about 3500 m/s (but there are several different kinds of brass). For comparison, in air, it's about 343 m/s.
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DAVID! That so doesn't sound like you!
| razeontherock wrote: | | efofex wrote: |
While I like the Lourdes water idea, I think I will try bourbon next. |
Blasphemy! (It should be fine scotch)
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^^^This is the best comment!^^^
In all seriousness though, is it just sized in one rim and cup size, or will they have options as well? |
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| EBjazz wrote: | | oxleyk wrote: | My other theory is for cooling. Because when you have your tongue arch, air compression, and air speed working in full gear that mouthpiece gets super-hot.
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Is this Bernoulli's Principle?? 
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I think it's Boiardi's Principle . . .
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Apredato Mouthpieces |
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| crazyalien257 wrote: | I was listening to James Morrison on Youtube when I found out he played on a Schagerl "Apredato" mouthpiece. Apparently you fill it up with water or something, I don't understand the Physics of it all, nor does the Schagerl website explain alot.
Does anyone know what the water actually does to the mouthpiece? Has anyone on TH played on one before?
btw Thomas Gansch sounds fantastic on them. |
Thomas Gansch plays a Bach 3B Megatone. But I'm sure he'd sound great on one of these as well!
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| JeffTheHornGuy wrote: | | It uses the same technology of a soundproof room. |
I've never heard of water being used for a soundproof room.
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| crzytptman wrote: | | I think it's Boiardi's Principle . . . |
OK, I'll bite: What's Boiardi's Principle? |
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| Jerry wrote: | | crzytptman wrote: | | I think it's Boiardi's Principle . . . |
OK, I'll bite: What's Boiardi's Principle? |
You put pasta and sauce in the mpc chamber. When the mpc heats up, it cooks the pasta and you can have a snack later.
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| trpthrld wrote: | | crzytptman wrote: | | Jerry wrote: | | crzytptman wrote: | | I think it's Boiardi's Principle . . . |
OK, I'll bite: What's Boiardi's Principle? |
You put pasta and sauce in the mpc chamber. When the mpc heats up, it cooks the pasta and you can have a snack later. |
Wouldn't that be the Chef Boyardee principal?  |
Boiardi was his real Italian name |
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It works on the 3Bs principle, Bull.... Baffles Brains.
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| So if your playing in a soul band and they want moves(left, right)or a parade for that matter,you might have a mouthpiece tsunami.Or put some real authenticity in your solo when you blow on "Wave"..Theres too much joke potential on this one..Seriously though,and I wouldnt begin to compare,but Josh Landress created a wooden mouthpiece sound sleeve that you slide on and turn a screw to hold it on and its pretty cool.I use it when playing in a more mellow setting.Seems to darken the sound a bit.If I could play like Chet Baker I would play like Chet Baker..until then I`ll use a wooden sound sleeve |
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Apologies to resurrect this thread, but hey that's what threads are for..
I got on loan, and I rather like it. I didn't fill mine via a tap, I submerged it, opened it, waited for all the air bubble to exit, then closed it fully submerged. I didn't like the idea of air pockets, so the engineer in me was satisfied.
I'm not sure if they come in different sizes, I have the James Morrison apredato in Gold.
I'm used to playing 3C's and its way bigger. The rim is quite thin, allowing good flexibility. However if you like a little bit of pressure, the mouthpiece won't work with you. It will punish you.
I'll compare it to a Bach 2B (if they did one), its no 3C, way too big. It looks heavy, feels lighter than it looks and slots well above G in the staff. You need a strong pair of chops to get a good sound for any length of time, and its easy to over-egg if you get absorb into the rich sound.
I played all day on it yesterday, and today I'm feeling it, more than normal. So I'll post back in a week or so.
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Did you try it with different amounts of water?
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Is the "engineer in you" really satisfied there are no air pockets. How did you close it completely?
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| oxleyk wrote: | | Did you try it with different amounts of water? |
I'll try tonight.
| veery715 wrote: | | Is the "engineer in you" really satisfied there are no air pockets. How did you close it completely? |
The outside part has a screw at the top and bottom, with a greased grommet top and bottom. The bottom screw is longer than the top part, so you can unscrew, and expose the water without it falling out of the bottom. However as you have to tilt to allow the tap water in, it will always have a small air pocket.
My approach.:
1. Unscrew until inside exposed
2. Submerge at an angle of 45 degree, allow all air bubbles to float away.
3. Screw back together, whilst still submerged.
I'm open to better suggestions....
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Water being uncompressible, I just wondered how it is possible to close the device entirely, since that would imply that any water within would be "squeezed" by the closing of the vessel.
Just chop busting, actually.
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