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Don Herman rev2
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are misunderstanding and misconstruing the intent and technique of BE. Nor does danduncan claim to be using BE. Lots of players have great range and power using BE.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The trouble with rolled-in high notes is that they lack gravitas. They are pinched-sounding, shallow, and have no body.


My experience is, no matter how clear the evidence is to the contrary, a small percentage of people will still make the false claim that rolling in the lips is universally bad.

The context of how the rolling in is done, is everything. If you don't understand the BE context, you can easily reach a false conclusion.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The trouble with rolled-in high notes is that they lack gravitas. They are pinched-sounding, shallow, and have no body.

Bluesy


Ever heard of Harry James? You'd be hard pressed to find a more full-bodied sound than that.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and false conclusions provide justification for not getting results. It is worth trying everything (ask Edison) to find something which does work, and it takes patience to know when that occurs.
The thing about BE is that it leads you through a variety of setups as you explore the possibilities. And some of those work for some players, others for others.
I need to break out that book again!

PS Mr. Duncan should learn that his intrusive marketing is only costing him in the long run.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PS Mr. Duncan should learn that his intrusive marketing is only costing him in the long run.


Hear, hear.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lakejw wrote:
Bluesy wrote:
The trouble with rolled-in high notes is that they lack gravitas. They are pinched-sounding, shallow, and have no body.

Bluesy


Ever heard of Harry James? You'd be hard pressed to find a more full-bodied sound than that.


How do you know HJ rolled in? Show some proof?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Herman rev2 wrote:
You are misunderstanding and misconstruing the intent and technique of BE. Nor does danduncan claim to be using BE. Lots of players have great range and power using BE.


Read my post again. I was not criticizing BE, but the thin, poorly developed altissimo that some get with rolled in lips, that's all.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluesy wrote:
Don Herman rev2 wrote:
You are misunderstanding and misconstruing the intent and technique of BE. Nor does danduncan claim to be using BE. Lots of players have great range and power using BE.


Read my post again. I was not criticizing BE, but the thin, poorly developed altissimo that some get with rolled in lips, that's all.
Many teachers have suggested that from a thin sound one can progress to a full sound, no? With no altissimo that idea becomes untenable.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluesy wrote:
Don Herman rev2 wrote:
You are misunderstanding and misconstruing the intent and technique of BE. Nor does danduncan claim to be using BE. Lots of players have great range and power using BE.


Read my post again. I was not criticizing BE, but the thin, poorly developed altissimo that some get with rolled in lips, that's all.


But in BE this is just an exercise, and part of the learning process...
For the most part these exercises, like the double pedals, are just introducing your body to the positions that are possible so that it can develop your own good embouchure by itself.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluesy wrote:
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?


Welcome to the internet, son.
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