Best mutes for vintage sounds?!?!

kubban · Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:47 pm Post subject:

giakara:
You are absolutely right about the H&B wa wa being the loudest for stem in playing. I have got an old red and white one with fibre body and some metal. It is loud and has a really really rich sound for the oldest jazz styles. I tend to prefer the H&B Cleartone or Shastock straight, but some times the wa wa is the right one. No, I haven't tried the Purviance yet, but I have it in mind if one crosses my road!
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1998 Getzen 850 model cornet
1950 C. Mahillon flugelhorn

+numerous current and vintage trumpets, cornets, mouthpieces, mutes - yes you know I guess...

ljazztrm · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:55 pm Post subject:

kubban · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:28 pm Post subject:

ljazztrm!
That's a very good solution you suggest!
The Shastock tonalcolor sure does the job!
I have two Shastock Tonalcolor cup mutes, one with the early simple screw tighting mechanism, and one with the later more solid tighting mechanism they settled on. They are both excellent sounding, and I use them sometimes.
But for me - now - the mic-a-mute and H&B cup make me sound the closest to what I want to sound like

edit: It is the Ray Robinson I can't get right.

Torstein
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1924 Conn 22b New York symphony trumpet
1998 Getzen 850 model cornet
1950 C. Mahillon flugelhorn

+numerous current and vintage trumpets, cornets, mouthpieces, mutes - yes you know I guess...

ljazztrm · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject:

I have the screw one..Trent Austin gave me a super deal on it. In other news, I have one of these coming: http://www.facetmutes.com/shop/article_B-1/Trumpet-Bucket-Mute.html?sessid=HxIniJJxTbvYpMxf9cM5y64CHELkrLE83F72FV9V1DSsPtUSPw8gq9IfIexBZk2q&shop_param=cid%3D86%26aid%3DB-1%26

I also have a Peter Gane Bucket which goes right in the bell like a regular mute. It's beautiful and I use it on jazz restaurant gigs and also recordings and just when I want to get a unique, diffuse sound. These mutes are both over $100, but well worth it IMO if you are a pro/serious jazz player.
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Mpcs: Jim New-Manley Jazz1/Jazz2/Jazz4/Lead3. Legends MF1. Reeves 39EX/HV. Frost 39MVD. Flugel: Jim NewMF3. Jim New-Manley F1+F2. Pickett MF. Reeves HF.
Trumpets: THE LYNNZHORN!!/Stomvi Forte pocket
Flugel: Manchester Brass Pro Model
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kubban · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:48 pm Post subject:

I'll check out the Peter Gane bucket, thanks!
It's a very important quality of a mute that it records fine!
Torstein Kubban
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1924 Conn 22b New York symphony trumpet
1998 Getzen 850 model cornet
1950 C. Mahillon flugelhorn

+numerous current and vintage trumpets, cornets, mouthpieces, mutes - yes you know I guess...

ljazztrm · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject:

I think there's a youtube of Alison Balsom using it... It's a really sweet mute and easy as putting a cup mute in.
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Mpcs: Jim New-Manley Jazz1/Jazz2/Jazz4/Lead3. Legends MF1. Reeves 39EX/HV. Frost 39MVD. Flugel: Jim NewMF3. Jim New-Manley F1+F2. Pickett MF. Reeves HF.
Trumpets: THE LYNNZHORN!!/Stomvi Forte pocket
Flugel: Manchester Brass Pro Model
Www.LexSamu.com

jazz_trpt · Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:29 pm Post subject:

ljazztrm · Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject:

Hey Jeff, I had to get it overseas.. It was Thomann music I believe located in the UK. Best, Lex
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Mpcs: Jim New-Manley Jazz1/Jazz2/Jazz4/Lead3. Legends MF1. Reeves 39EX/HV. Frost 39MVD. Flugel: Jim NewMF3. Jim New-Manley F1+F2. Pickett MF. Reeves HF.
Trumpets: THE LYNNZHORN!!/Stomvi Forte pocket
Flugel: Manchester Brass Pro Model
Www.LexSamu.com

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giakara · Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:11 am Post subject:

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RandyTX · Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject:

trumanjazzguy

[/quote] Is this the LaPage mute you mentioned? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=291072492941[/quote]

YES! The one on ebay now appears to have the cup WAY too far back. There's no way you could seat the corks with the cup that close to them. I found mine was adjusted as far forward as the cup can go, and it still is a close cup to the bell (unless I physically hold it out, corks unseated). It is both bright and warm sounding...yes, that's possible! A wonderful mute, weighs absolutely nothing. Is made out of such thin aluminum that mine has light depressions where the corks are glued to the cone from the pressure of pushing it into the bell. I've written research papers that were heavier than that mute, by far. Not one to knock around or drop!
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CRN: Getzen 1950â€™s W/5.5in bell
FL: Jupiter 1100R
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TPT: 34-throat shallow double-cup, Chet Bakerâ€™s Custom Schilke, Bach Corp 3, Bach Mt. Vernon 6C, Ken Titmus BF Custom(s).
CRN: NY Giardinelli 7SV.
FL: Yamaha Bobby Shew

sounds7 · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:28 am Post subject:

I am somewhat of a collector but I do occasionally have need for some of the old mutes when I get called for Traditional gigs or Big band era stuff plus they are just fun. My favorite mute for retro 20's is the Sastock solo tone, My favorite for the 40's sound is the Tonalcolor cup mute. My favorite all time Harmon Mute is still the original Chicago Harmon mute with intonation issues and all because of the sound.

Shastock
I have two Tonalcolor cups one in black and gold and one in white and gold (Play exactly the same)
Ditto with Shastock straight mutes I have one from the 20's with the violin Maple resonator and one slightly older probably from the 30's that just says straight mute and doesn't say violin maple resonator on it. Both of those are black then I have a newer white straight from the Micro period.
I have the Shastock solo tone with the brass ring on both ends (black)

Ray Robinson
Here I have two. The famous cup mute and the "Regular Mute" No Mel o Wah yet but I'm looking.

Selmer Stryotone England
Cup mute and Straight mute same period

Humes and Berg
Humes and Berg Stoneline Cup
Humes and Berg Stoneline Straight mute
Humes and Berg Stoneline Bucket Mellow tone
Humes and Berg Stoneline "Manny" mute

Wah Wah Harmon type mutes:
Harmon Mute An old original Chicago
Mufti mute Handmade by Gunnar Ullvén in Sweden known as the Dizzy Mute
Best Brass copper "cooljazz" mute
Tom Crown Copper Wah Wah

Assorted

easybucket mute formerly sold at easy bucket.com
Musik Amrein "AMR" handmade wooden straight mute made in Germany
Mutec adjustable copper cup mute
Peter Gane Bucket Mute
Tom Crown straight with copper bottom
Alessi Vacchiano Straight mute
JoRal Practice mute (Black)
AMT Chicago style trumpet plunger black
JoRal aluminum spun plunger

I have begun documenting my mutes in my photo bucket more images to come there in the future hopefully.
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sounds7/library/Trumpet%20Mutes%20of%20a%20bygone%20era?sort=3&page=1

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Buescher lightweight 400 228
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Stomvi Mambo #5
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Courtois 301 Orchestra C
Yamaha Custom 9830 pic
Yamaha 731 /Harrelson mod

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