Fattest sounding - high register horn recommendation.

kheindl · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:44 am Post subject:

What Bb horn would you consider having the "fattest" sound. I'm looking to buy a horn with this characteristic. Also, what lead pipe and bell would you recommend for the upper register and the overall "fat" sound? What I'd like is the best horn for both the upper register AND a big-fat-sound. Any thoughts? Maynard has both and his is a Holton custom made (plus he has the chops). Is there a horn out there that I can buy that is even close to his horn?

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Tim80 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 1415

Talk to Roy Lawler. His TL-5/2 may be the ticket. It is my favorite Lawer horn. (Yeah Bruce,
I'm still lusting after that balanced model TL-5.)

Tim

tom turner · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:37 pm Post subject:

The Wild Thing!

It's super-fast bell taper gives a broader, fatter sound and it can be played with lots of power. Another thing I like about my WT as a lead horn is that the groups I play with have commented that they can "hear" the horn better too, since it isn't as "lazer-beamish" as many horns . . . a great attribute of a lead horn indeed!

Additionally, no one will ever call a WT "stuffy!" It is very free blowing and slots perfectly as high as one wishes to take it. It comes with the super free-blowin' #1 slide and the tighter blowing #2. Additionally, I love my #3 optional slide a lot on lead . . . when I want a brighter sound but still want the power of the #1. The #1's sound is HUGE, DARK, FAT and RICH with the maximum power.

Hope this helps! Please contact me if you have further questions about this awesome horn. I'd love to send you some materials on 'em or talk to you about the Wt instruments via phone.

Sincerely,

Tom Turner

E.D.Lewis · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:58 pm Post subject:

The Leblanc Arturo horn. It's close to a Schilke X3 but with a copper bell for a bit of a "fatter" sound - and a few hundred $$$ cheaper. Either that or the Lawler is your best bet.

P.S. - I never thought of Maynard's sound as "fat." Just my $.02

FlugelFlyer · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:28 pm Post subject:

Give us an example of who's sound you're thinking of, that's often a great place to start. Other than that, don't over-rely on the equipment to make the sound for you. Get the sound in your head out of the equipment the best you can and go from there. The horn I use for lead is pretty much a basic Back symphonic oriented trumpet. I feel that with this horn, though, that my upper register sound is sufficiently fat as far as I could tell playing into a computer mic, though I wouldn't call myself Aurturo Sandoval. Point is, you bake the cake AND frost it, the horn just puts those last few sprinkles on. I hope that was at least somewhat enlightening.

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mfan · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:50 pm Post subject:

Personally the Callet Jazz works great for me. I picked it out of a lineup of Bachs, Schilkes, Yamahas, and Calicchios. For me it had the fattest sound out of everything I played. And as far as Maynard not having a fat sound? You've got to be kidding me. Try to play along with him and tell me then that he doesn't have a fat sound.
-Collin

_bugleboy · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:04 pm Post subject:

Ask Roy Lawler about the custom job he did for the trumpet player in the Cirque du Soleil in Orlando.

slip0106 · Veteran Member Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 174

Hi,

You are gong to get about as many answers to this question as there are trpt players ( oh no ... )

For me, amd I try everthing I can get my hands on, ... SCODWELL. The Scodwell B flat trpt has a very fat projecting core to the sound (I've heard it recorded) especially in the upper register, with out ever breaking up, getting scrill, or spreading to much.

Rayburn Music in Boston carries them, as does Mike Thompsom Music in Ohmaha, NE.

If there were no such thing as a Scodwell, I would pobably play a Calicchio 1s-2.

Regards, Michael
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plp · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:52 pm Post subject:

Just go ahead and get it out of your system.......buy a used MF Horn. They can be had for a quarter of what you will pay for the others, and resale seems to be consistent if you decide it isn't for you.

James B. Quick · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:07 pm Post subject:

Schilke X4, or a Wild Thing.... jbqd

drunkiq · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:45 pm Post subject:

Schilke X3Lb, or X4Lb (if you have the air)....

-marc

_Clarino · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:30 am Post subject:

You might want to try a Stomvi Mambo if you're looking for that type of horn. It's HUGE.

I don't own one though, I need more of an all round horn.

Try everything that has been suggested here, you will probably find the horn you are looking for.
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jgadvert · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:48 am Post subject:

1)You should tell us what your budget is.
2) You should tell us if having a shiny new horn (cosmetics) matters to you.
3) You should tell us what your specific playing needs are.

Cause you can get that fat sound for well under $1,000 and spend the saved money on better things(perhaps..such as living expenses, school etc...)

Rick · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:15 am Post subject:

I get that fat, lead sound you've earlier described on my Tulsa Calicchio 1sZ/3RL (.468" bore). Blows free -- especially with the reversed leadpipe. It will take all the power (air) you can give it and I've never had the sound break up on me or feel restricted. John Duda knows lead horns inside-out and can make you one you'll love.

---<Rick

slip0106 · Veteran Member Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 174

I know this topic has been covered many times, but I see it here again. Why use the term "lead-horn"?

What is a "lead-horn", or a "lead-trpt"?

kheindl · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:31 am Post subject:

Thanks everyone - I now have your input to consider when I narrow my list.

Again - thanks.

Ken Heindl

HorneyMikey · Veteran Member Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 325

Slip, you opened up a can of worms again...........

But i look forward to hearing everybody's definition of what a "lead" horn is.

Anybody who does not think a standard Bach ML37 is not a "lead" horn has not listened to Charley Davis, Bob Baca, et al............

Bring it on, folks!

Mike

trptsbaker · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 1:33 pm Post subject:

Actually, there are no "lead" horns. Only "lead" players. People have played great lead trumpet on every horn imaginable. T.

trptczar · Veteran Member Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 102

If you want a Drum Corps bugle bell on your horn you should go with a "wild thing". If you want a spread, blatty sound the "wild thing" is just the ticket.

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slip0106 · Veteran Member Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 174

BINGO ... No "Le_d" horns, ... "Lead Players".(I can't even bring myself to type that term again!)

A guy either plays or he doesn't. And he picks the tool that he feels makes the job the easiest, but, still getting his concept of "the sound" out there.

There are some very basic priciples to address when looking for a horn, (these are discissed ad-nauseum all over the place), no big secrets. And there are may fine lead trumpet players that play on as many different horns. Take a look at what 'they' are using, and use that as your starting block.

"First", you must have a concept of what you want to sound like ("your sound" ... the sound you hear in your head). Then there is a very fine balance between three determining factors to be made: (1) Pick a horn that helps you get that sound the easiest. (2) A horn that the other musicians can hear & feel (3) Is the sound projecting out front ... 50 in front of the band stand?

That's my take on it anyway.